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Originally Posted by Willravel
That's not how it works and you know it. Stop being glib. Schizophrenia can be diagnosed after careful study and verification. And then, and here's the kicker, it can often be treated. If Jesus or Abraham Lincoln were talking to you when you were on a bus and the appropriate treatment helped to reduce those instances, would you still think you were talking to Jesus or Abraham Lincoln?
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Again, a very perverse scientific answer.
We should trust mind numbing drugs which effect the brain in ways we really dont understand other than by the symtoms of those effects, before we trust our own experience.
The "rules" of science say you cannot hear a spiritual voice, ergo you are mad, ergo take some drugs and stop hearing it.
The open minded thinker says we shall treat all evidence as possible. Science closes more doors than it opens. People today are as ignorant as those who thought the world was flat. And the one lesson they will not learn (the scientist again) from history is to be less proud and less sure.
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Originally Posted by Mantus
I'm trying very hard not to get pulled into the drama in this thread.
So what's the main issue at hand? What is the core motivator here? I'm trying to understand both sides. Being an atheist and having studies several scientific fields casually I can related to the scientist's viewpoint on this.
Placing Creationism besides Evolution in the classroom is not only disgustingly naive but a clear attempt by the Church to gain further influence in a public institution. It's also harmful to the North American culture and economy because it's a direct attack on education, progress and intellectualism.
Organized religion has always had anti-scientific tendencies - sheep are easier to herd after all - but I would have imagined that with all the information available to people now days they would be able to make wiser and more informed decisions.
So my next pursuit is to figure out what motivates people to stay in the dark. I've come across many examples of this anti-scientific movement in the guise of Alternative Medicine, the Anti-Vaccination Movement, Astrology and Creationism. It seems that people want easy answers so badly that they are willing to fight for their right to be fooled.
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The rational man (such as myself) will state that theology and physical observation and theory are equally valid ways to understand the world we are in.
The belief in the holy is as important as testable obsevations in explaining and understanding the human condition and experience.
But the closed mind scientist places his fingers in his ears (and I say "his" because all of the errors of science are male errors) and chants that nothing that he cannot test in his own little labority can possibly exist and anyone who believes in it is a moron...
And the great "King" science after all gave us atom bombs, children born with missing limbs do to drugs given to their mothers unknowingly, AIDS, gas chambers, cancer... I would call someone who is anti-scientic a human being.