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Originally Posted by pan6467
I have been against the war from day 1. However, once there, we owe it to our troops to do all we can to make them as safe as possible and to provide them with whatever is necessary to do so. The ONLY 2 alternatives short of the war ending by victory or mutual armistice, (which isn't in the foreseeable future) are to withdraw and end the war (of which I am not opposed) or to continue and suffer unnecessary losses. That is it. It is up to the president to act swiftly and with conviction of his choice (right or wrong)... It should never be a political football for a president to sit on and wait for poll results or some personal political game. Obama IS doing just that. You can make excuses all you want for him but in the end he is costing us more lives and wounded by his waiting.
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So wait, you're talking unnecesary losses, yet you want him to make a decision in "a few day or a week" on sending in more troops. You can't see that making a reactionary decision as you would like will cause the other to happen? More lives and wounded, holy fuck pan, W basically forgot about Afghanistan for what 5 years once he started his adventure in Iraq, where was this emotion from you then? On holidays? In the bathroom? I didn't hear it then, yet now it's all ranting and raving. You can say you were against the war from day one all you like, the fact is you only started pissing and moaning about troop losses, and dumping troops there recently, why's that pan?
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Part of me when I voted for him, truly believed he meant it. LOL.... he's worse than W.
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You were sayignt his before the election, remember your Rev. Wright thread, so it's nothing new, although I do find it interesting that you piss and moan in that thread so much about the man, yet in the end you vote for him, now that is laughable.
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No, I am asking you to show me where the falsehoods are... it doesn't destroy the thread if anything it shows me where I may need to open my stance some or to prove your "truths" wrong. That is debate. That is conversational... to just say "you have falsehoods, but I won't tell you what they are." is basically adding nothing except trying to insult someone's views.
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You're not looking for debate, just as your not looking for common ground, but again you're too blinded by emotion to see that, on one page you say
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I argue, we need to stop with the attacks, myself included and find middle ground.
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Yet what have you done to find this middle ground pan? Not a fuckin thing, nada, zip, zilch, sweet fuck all. All you want to do is piss and moan and you expect us to just eat up everything you say as being true and a fact, when in reality, you have no clue what you're on about. Oh and Baraka isn't insulting your 'views' by not showing you these falsehoods pan, he just doesn't want to waste his time, when we all know you're just going to rant again, as for opening your stance, that is laughable, it'll never happen, you.
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Well, the "fuck you" doesn't work because it divides further and truly allows no middle ground.
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Again here's the middle ground, I'll do this in a way you'll understand with capitals as you always do
YOU'RE DOING NOTHING TO FIND COMMON GROUND ON ANYTHING, YOU SAY ONE THING THEN DO ANOTHER, IT'S POINTLESS TO EVEN ATTEMPT ANYTHING WITH YOU.