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I have been against the war from day 1. However, once there, we owe it to our troops to do all we can to make them as safe as possible and to provide them with whatever is necessary to do so. The ONLY 2 alternatives short of the war ending by victory or mutual armistice, (which isn't in the foreseeable future) are to withdraw and end the war (of which I am not opposed) or to continue and suffer unnecessary losses. That is it. It is up to the president to act swiftly and with conviction of his choice (right or wrong)... It should never be a political football for a president to sit on and wait for poll results or some personal political game. Obama IS doing just that. You can make excuses all you want for him but in the end he is costing us more lives and wounded by his waiting.
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so what all this says really is that you've decided what obama's motivations are.
based on what exactly?
if you actually read the papers, it seems pretty clear that there is a debate going on about what exactly should do. in yesterday's guardian for example a piece floated which argued that karzai's government would collapse almost immediately were the western forces to pull out.
now i don't know at what point the united states and others found themselves propping up the central government in kabul, such as it is. and i am not sure how it came to pass that the united states and others have spent the past years acting like just another militia on the order of the taliban.
the whole thing seems insane to me.
so if there is in fact a serious debate happening within the administration and amongst the allies about how to get out of afghanistan, i would say it's about fucking time.
the idea that such a debate can be framed as a problem...i really don't know where this is coming from. it sounds like conservative nonsense, the kind of thing that is as usual from the right these days entirely about dominating particular news cycles and not at all about matters of any substance.
so there is the world. and there is the world as television frames it. they're different. and then there's the all-about-television modes of thinking and acting from the right. that's different.
you might claim to be an independent, pan, and i dont doubt that in some ways you are, but on this entire thread, everything about it, you've drunk conservative kool-aid. hope its fun out there. what color's the sky?