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dksuddeth · 11-20-2009, 08:44 AM

Pan, I personally agree with you. Unfortunately, in my opinion, the majority of Americans have lost sight of a few things that were supposed to be guaranteed by the constitution.

First and foremost is that the constitution is supposed to be a binding legal contract between we the people and the newly created federal government. Unchanging, unless we the people change it. Most people can't go along with that because 'progressive' change is too difficult to achieve with the prescribed methods of amending that contract. That's why we hear about the 'living document' theory. It gives these people incentive to push for constitutional change through a simple majority position instead of convincing the 'super majority' that is necessary.

Secondly, not enough people want to stand up and hold our elected leaders accountable and it's for several different reasons, the most likely reason being that the offensive action(s) by those leaders have little or no direct affect to those people. It's much easier for these people to ignore the hardships placed on the few because of those actions instead of standing up and doing something about it.

Thirdly, very few people will protest the murder of American Citizens because of incidents like Ruby Ridge or Waco for the sheer simple fact that their government and it's propaganda units paint these people as monsters who have shunned the rule of law and become anti-government. It is these people that the term 'sheeple' was coined for, as much as they dislike the name and do all they can to ridicule those that use it. It's not all their fault really. They were raised by parents and grandparents who were indoctrinated during times to believe that their federal government was a benevolent protector, therefore, those beliefs were passed on to them. Others are more fearful of their fellow Americans than they are of a monopoly of violent force by law enforcement. They have no issue at all with law enforcement using any means necessary to preserve what they see as law and order, believing it to be the means to an end of their safety and freedom. They've persevered in installing people in power with the same belief structures, which is why we have certain judicial doctrines in existence today. Things like 'qualified immunity' were created in order to provide those tasked with controlling their preferred way of life with protection from the same legal system used to prosecute ordinary citizens who commit the very same actions, in essence destroying another founding principle that they don't agree with and that is 'equal protection under the law'. The end result being that the government agents they employ are allowed to use lethal force at their discretion, yet are provided immunity for any crimes they may commit in doing so, and are also immune to any liability for failure to provide that very protection they were tasked with. It's a real cushy job, actually. They commit a crime with an act of violence, get suspended AND paid, a minor routine investigation is performed while gauging how strong public outrage will really be, then decide if they need to sacrifice the life and career of the 'offending' individual or exonerate him/her because not enough people will really care about it enough to do anything substantial.

Appeals for taking back our country are going to go almost completely unheeded and will get you labeled as a radical extremist, anti-government, and possibly even a (gasp) Libertarian or Constitutionalist. These labels are necessary because people on both sides of the aisle are only interested in pursuing their idealistic version of America. Take, for example, my resistance to the current healthcare reform bill. I'm sure there are alot of people here that think i'm either an insane nutjob looking to kill people, or an idiot revolutionary that should be living in a single room shack in the mountains of Colorado while writing a manifesto about the founding fathers. It is necessary for them to frame me in those lights because I don't agree with their philosophies of what America should be. It's also why you see alot of remarks and comments that pretty much defame and denigrate the framers of the constitution as old white men who lived in a different time, slave keepers themselves, or even uglier terms. The political divide in this country, and it's continued growth, is all the reason I need to see that we eventually will have civil war redux.

You are not alone in your views, but you will be ridiculed for them by those that wish to ignore the original intent of the declaration, constitution, and the framers ideas of freedom. THAT is a simple fact of life in this country now.

11-20-2009, 08:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	Pan, I personally agree with you. Unfortunately, in my opinion, the majority of Americans have lost sight of a few things that were supposed to be guaranteed by the constitution. First and foremost is that the constitution is supposed to be a binding legal contract between we the people and the newly created federal government. Unchanging, unless we the people change it. Most people can't go along with that because 'progressive' change is too difficult to achieve with the prescribed methods of amending that contract. That's why we hear about the 'living document' theory. It gives these people incentive to push for constitutional change through a simple majority position instead of convincing the 'super majority' that is necessary. Secondly, not enough people want to stand up and hold our elected leaders accountable and it's for several different reasons, the most likely reason being that the offensive action(s) by those leaders have little or no direct affect to those people. It's much easier for these people to ignore the hardships placed on the few because of those actions instead of standing up and doing something about it. Thirdly, very few people will protest the murder of American Citizens because of incidents like Ruby Ridge or Waco for the sheer simple fact that their government and it's propaganda units paint these people as monsters who have shunned the rule of law and become anti-government. It is these people that the term 'sheeple' was coined for, as much as they dislike the name and do all they can to ridicule those that use it. It's not all their fault really. They were raised by parents and grandparents who were indoctrinated during times to believe that their federal government was a benevolent protector, therefore, those beliefs were passed on to them. Others are more fearful of their fellow Americans than they are of a monopoly of violent force by law enforcement. They have no issue at all with law enforcement using any means necessary to preserve what they see as law and order, believing it to be the means to an end of their safety and freedom. They've persevered in installing people in power with the same belief structures, which is why we have certain judicial doctrines in existence today. Things like 'qualified immunity' were created in order to provide those tasked with controlling their preferred way of life with protection from the same legal system used to prosecute ordinary citizens who commit the very same actions, in essence destroying another founding principle that they don't agree with and that is 'equal protection under the law'. The end result being that the government agents they employ are allowed to use lethal force at their discretion, yet are provided immunity for any crimes they may commit in doing so, and are also immune to any liability for failure to provide that very protection they were tasked with. It's a real cushy job, actually. They commit a crime with an act of violence, get suspended AND paid, a minor routine investigation is performed while gauging how strong public outrage will really be, then decide if they need to sacrifice the life and career of the 'offending' individual or exonerate him/her because not enough people will really care about it enough to do anything substantial. Appeals for taking back our country are going to go almost completely unheeded and will get you labeled as a radical extremist, anti-government, and possibly even a (gasp) Libertarian or Constitutionalist. These labels are necessary because people on both sides of the aisle are only interested in pursuing their idealistic version of America. Take, for example, my resistance to the current healthcare reform bill. I'm sure there are alot of people here that think i'm either an insane nutjob looking to kill people, or an idiot revolutionary that should be living in a single room shack in the mountains of Colorado while writing a manifesto about the founding fathers. It is necessary for them to frame me in those lights because I don't agree with their philosophies of what America should be. It's also why you see alot of remarks and comments that pretty much defame and denigrate the framers of the constitution as old white men who lived in a different time, slave keepers themselves, or even uglier terms. The political divide in this country, and it's continued growth, is all the reason I need to see that we eventually will have civil war redux. You are not alone in your views, but you will be ridiculed for them by those that wish to ignore the original intent of the declaration, constitution, and the framers ideas of freedom. THAT is a simple fact of life in this country now. __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."