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Old 11-19-2009, 09:14 AM   #13 (permalink)
The_Dunedan
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What happens right now to people who can't afford health insurance and cant afford to see a doctor get a minor infection?
They treat the infection at home with hydrogen peroxide and neosporin, or they work out a payment plan with a doctor; I've yet to experience or even hear of a physician turning down a payment plan. A friend of the family just finished paying off a car accident at $50.00 per month. If they're complete dipshits they;

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hey wait it out hoping it will get better, but for some it doesn't and they have to go to the ER (or die). Of course they can't pay for that either...
You mean they -won't- pay for it. See above comments on payment plans. I had to go into hospital several times when I was in University, and my happy uninsured ass paid those bills off a few dollars per month. I got treated, the hospital got paid, and everybody went home happy, and lemme tell you; an undergrad slinging pizza for $7.50/hr a'int rich. If I could afford it, so can they.

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Why is it that these European nations with socialized health care live longer
A more nutritious diet and more exercise, primarily. Having lived in Europe and seen the difference in both areas, along with the frequently abyssmal quality of the healthcare in many such countries (an impression borne out by my contacts with British expatriots) I am convinced that the better quality of health enjoyed by many Europeans is mostly down to superior diet.

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Now for those of you who don't want to pay for these dead beats, why don't we close down all the prisons that we have to pay for?
I could get behind that, but the primary reason for prisons is so that we (as an aggregate, a "society") can have cages in which to store the social equivalent of rabid or aggressive dogs. They're in there not for their own benefit, but for the benefit of their potential future victims.

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I mean I'm not using those prisons, why should I have to pay for them?
Since those prisons are keeping violent, aggressive, and larcenous people from harming or robbing you, you can in fact be said to be using them; you pay for their upkeep and derive a benefit from it. Neither you nor I nor anybody else (other than the people being subsidized) derive any benefit from subsidising people like my neighbors. The arguement can be made that them not being sick means they're less likely to transmit illness, but this assumes that they will take their medicines rather than sell them, finish taking their medicines and refrain from breeding superbugs, and further assumes that they will give enough of a shit about their own health to take advantage of such services. Given their hobbies, I doubt they do.

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I don't want to pay for the military either
Suits me, and suits the Founders as well. Most of the current military is unconstitutional anyway.

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That's true why do I have to subsidize wars on other countries that I don't believe in?
You shouldn't, and neither should anybody else. You -do- have to, however, because refusing to do so will get you locked up or killed. That is the essence of taxation: I liken it to being held at gunpoint, taken to an airport, forced to buy a ticket, forced to board the airliner, forced to eat their crappy food...and being shot or beaten if you try to refuse.
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