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cementor · 11-12-2009, 09:00 PM

Folks,

The biggest single reason for my lack of support of the healthcare plan is this.

The government has proven over and over that it is incapable of running these types of programs. Do we need reform? Damned right! But do we want another government run program? Hell no! See all the other bankrupt efforts..... social security, medicare and medicaid the list goes on and on (hence our deficits - this isn't a Republican / Democrat issue, they are both capable of running amuck on spending). Bush did it and Obama is surpassing W's irresponsible pace . You absolutely cannot run private interest business in competion with government non profit (sic) programs. All you accomplish is bankrupting the viable business and then the program that replced it. Fix it , don't wipe it out!

The second item is how do we (you and I) pay for it??? Expanding the risk pool to bring down costs is poppycock. I got to make those decisions for my former employer for the last few years and I can assure you as we grew from 90 folks to 500 folks our costs didn't go down, nor did our major cases go down, they increased seemingly at an exponential rate. Sure it is a microcosm, but it provided a real life case.

For the record those that make $600K will pay 150K in federal tax (probably close to the minimum) and from 0-as much as $40K in State taxes, depending on the state they live in, assuming they give a bunch of money to charities. And substantially more on both counts if they do not.

11-12-2009, 09:00 PM	#60 (permalink)
cementor Crazy Location: Denver	Folks, The biggest single reason for my lack of support of the healthcare plan is this. The government has proven over and over that it is incapable of running these types of programs. Do we need reform? Damned right! But do we want another government run program? Hell no! See all the other bankrupt efforts..... social security, medicare and medicaid the list goes on and on (hence our deficits - this isn't a Republican / Democrat issue, they are both capable of running amuck on spending). Bush did it and Obama is surpassing W's irresponsible pace . You absolutely cannot run private interest business in competion with government non profit (sic) programs. All you accomplish is bankrupting the viable business and then the program that replced it. Fix it , don't wipe it out! The second item is how do we (you and I) pay for it??? Expanding the risk pool to bring down costs is poppycock. I got to make those decisions for my former employer for the last few years and I can assure you as we grew from 90 folks to 500 folks our costs didn't go down, nor did our major cases go down, they increased seemingly at an exponential rate. Sure it is a microcosm, but it provided a real life case. For the record those that make $600K will pay 150K in federal tax (probably close to the minimum) and from 0-as much as $40K in State taxes, depending on the state they live in, assuming they give a bunch of money to charities. And substantially more on both counts if they do not. __________________ Cementor If I was any better I'd have to be twins!