Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
Just going on memory. Interrogation,
|
He changed his mind on torture when he
voted against the waterboarding ban after
explaining that waterboarding is torture. So no. No, he's pro-"enhanced interrogation" in practice.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
Gitmo
|
You're right, but this isn't a policy issue, it's a specific installation. As above. McCain supports what was done at Gitmo, so closing it is entirely meaningless.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
Iraq War (strategy)
|
While McCain was in disagreement in maybe 2003-2006ish, after maybe mid-year 2007 they were in perfect lockstep. If was funny that while back in 2006, McCain said that
Bush Misled Country On Iraq, fighting strongly against it, and in 2008, it was all about the surge, baby! BTW, both Bush and McCain supported the surge.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
deficits
|
Meaningless. Republicans are deficit hawks during a campaign and spend with the best Democrats when in office. Check out this
WSJ article regarding the deficit under a McCain administration.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
original TARP
|
Nope.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
Social Security reform
|
For privatization before he was against it?
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
diplomacy (engaging other nations)
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
transparency
|
Was Bush ever explicitly against transparency? I mean in practice, sure, but if we're going to compare campaign promises of McCain to practices of Bush... you get what I'm saying.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
more support of military after they return
|
McCain is horrible when it comes to veterans.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
Katrina response, to name a few.
|
Hindsight is 20/20.
I'm sorry, but really McCain was tremendously similar to Bush.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
My recollection was that McCain went out of his way to down play the race issue in the campaign. I recall Democrats in their primaries having a bigger problem on the question of race than McCain. I don't recall Palin making an issue of race, I do recall her making an of Obama's "pals".
|
"That one" was probably the most obvious example/gaff, but there were a lot more. I'm glad that McCain corrected that stupid woman that, between drooling on herself (elitist!), managed to string syllables together and "accuse" Barack Obama of being an Arab, but that doesn't negate other instances. McCain's problem with
"gooks" aside, there were racial undertones that were fanned by the McCain campaign.
[quote=aceventura3;2727238]Is the problem with McCain boiling down to him picking Palin as a running mate?[/QUITE]
No, though that was indicative of how much he was willing to do to earn the support of the lunatic base. McCain in 2000 was a moderate conservative. Had Rove not sucker-punched him, his run against Gore would have been spectacular. It might have even elevated the debate. Instead of returning with all his moderate, mavricky goodness in 2008 to duke it out with liberal moderate Obama, he brought the Republican playbook and ran every tired, boring, Bush-era strategy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
Not sure I see the point there, but she has a record as an elected official.
|
I was vice president of my high school band. I'm not qualified to be president.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
None of those things are national "right wing" platform issues, she was not found guilty of charges of cover up or coercion. In terms of competence, Alaska did not suffer under her leadership, by most objective measures Alaska was doing well compared to other states. It is ironic that my post regarding McCain, a moderate, in my view and the party's chosen nominee (not hand picked like Palin was), turns mostly to a discussion about Palin. Palin, just like Rush, Beck, Hannity, etc., are not going to be the party's nominee in 2012, so again it begs the question, what is all the concern about?
|
None of my things would have qualified as conservative 40 years ago, but here we are. And yes, she was found guilty. She was leading the charge backing the nutter (and surprisingly boring) tea party conservative candidate in NY's 23rd. She's part of the reason this thread exists. In fact, she's a bigger part of this conversation than McCain. I'm not even sure why we're talking about McCain anymore, I'll have to go back and check.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aceventura3
Until we start talking national defense and capitalism.  |
That's why you're not a three. Still, I know a few tens and you, sir, are not a ten. Take that as a deeply sincere compliment.