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Originally Posted by dippin
I am sorry, but this is hopeless. The whole point of the bill is that it is not deficit neutral. And the "fully funded" part is incredibly puzzling to me, since this is a bill that is not about government spending, but about government revenue. I think you don't really understand these concepts.
And I am not taking the lowest possible number, as I am not basing anything I said on that memo. I am simply saying that every single figure you've quoted so far is a lie that has no basis on anything. The 20% tax increase, the 15% tax increase.
As far as me concluding what the cost of cap and trade for me will be, so far the only reliable figure Ive seen is the projection from the non-partisan CBO projection. And so far no one has given me a good reason not to trust that.
So if you want to keep talking about honesty, why don't you back it up with something?
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Great job on the edit.
Suck it? Is that really your tone from now on?
The house passed the bill, that now has to go to the senate and then back to the house before it is really approved by congress. You know, that bicameral institution that includes both the house and the senate?
I am done with you. Your dishonesty knows no bounds. I am sure mods will soon take action here, but on my part I give up.
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Really, so this is simply the Federal Government taking $200B from the people and doing exactly WHAT with it? If that is the case, it doesn't offend you that your government would just TAKE $175 from you for NOTHING?
Ah, so you conceed that the bill has been voted on. Great, that's all I wanted after you insulted me by asking me if I am in reality. The "suck it" was "suck on this PDF". Welcome to the "reality" that I was being perfectly honest and you didn't know what you were talking about.
I am aware that the bill has to go to the Senate. A portion of the Senate version left committee today, but I am sure you already knew that too.
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I am also aware of the process by which a bill becomes a law, but thanks for the refresher.
It amuses me that a number that I pulled from the Department of the Treasury is a made up number and the CBO number is engraved in stone. My "dishonesty" is fractional compared to the dishonesty of attempting to convince people this will cost a mere $175. None of that changes the fact that people can see this coming and will mitigate their tax obligation at the state level in preparation of greater taxes on the federal level.