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Originally Posted by dippin
Which reality do you live on?
You do know that cap and trade hasn't been voted on yet, right?
That what they had was a budget proposal that included some sort of cap and trade as generating revenue in the future. And that no one has ever claimed that it would be "deficit neutral" because it was never supposed to be.
And I never said that the companies would not pass the cost on to the consumer, but how much of it they would pass on to the American consumer (as opposed to foreign consumers, and as opposed to how much they would rather invest in alternative technology) is not a simple matter of dividing the proposed revenue by the number of tax payers.
And if I am being dishonest, prove it, back it up with something more than the bullshit you have been spewing so far. By your own admissions your 20% number was bullshit. And to reach your "15%" number, you had to get a non technical internal memo, choose the higher number of a range given and in a completely nonsensical manner divide it by the number of taxpayers, ignoring completely that the economy doesn't work like that. And then you completely ignore the technical report that actually looks at the dynamics of how it works.
And I never said anything about supporting cap and trade in its current form, I merely pointed out how much bullshit you are saying about its costs.
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Cap and trade has been voted on in the House. It was approved on June 26,2009. Suck it.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Pres...usesummary.pdf
I used the phrase "deficit neutral" instead of "fully funded". Any bill should be both, and this bill is neither. Again, it's somebody else's money so who cares, right?
You take the lowest possible number which can be found in support cap and trade and minimize its expense to the consumer. I take a higher number (not even the highest I have seen) to show why it will hurt Americans and an economic recovery. Yet somehow, in your mind what I am doing is worse than what you are doing.
dippin, you can not read that cap and trade bill and conclude that the actual cost to you, dippin, is going to be $175 per year. If you want to talk about honesty and bullshit, start by being honest with yourself.