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Old 06-12-2003, 02:58 PM   #134 (permalink)
CSflim
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Originally posted by synic213
The one thing that most people seem to be forgetting or overlooking is that the ideas presented in Reloaded make the reasoning in the first Matrix movie obsolete. Using the supposition that the "Real World" and Zion are infact another martix (which seems to be the common consensus), this means that everything that Morpheous tells Neo about the machines, the war, the energy source, and the matrix itself are concepts that exist only in this new matrix, created by an even higher power as yet unknown. In the real "Real World" machines may not have taken over, there might not even be machines at all. So in essence, if Zion is just another matrix, we, the audience, have no clue as to the real reason behind the matrices and the current status of the human race (if there is a human race).

I think that Derwood touched on this point very briefly, so credit goes to him where due.

We cannot be sure of the Matrices theory, personally I don't, but there are two things the reloaded which could lead us to believe it:
Neo having super powers outside of the Matrix, and Smith downloading himself into Bane.

These two things don't prove the Matrices theory, but are however explained by it.

However, if we are to take the Theory as fact, we do know that they were created by the same force. It would not make sense to claim that a higher power created the "ZION MATRIX", within which humans battled machines, and we defeated, and put inside another matrix, as there is no evidence of this, and it brings us back to square one again. The two incidents mentioned above are not expalined by this theory.

Yuo see the flaw in logic? You are taking a theory which came about so as to explain some phenomena, but then changing it to an extent that it no longer expalins said phenomena!

What I'm interested in, is how Morpheus, and the rest of the Zionites, know this history? Where did it come from? How can they be sure? I'm hoping that in Revolutions, we will be given a better explaination. (I expalined above why the logic behind human batteries is flawed).

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