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Originally Posted by silent_jay
I like this, I boycott Walmart and encourage others not to shop there, unless they or I need to buy cheap shit for kids twice a year, then I throw my boycott out the window and shop till I drop at Walmart. It isn't really a boycott at all, that's like someone saying they don't drink and encourage others not to drink, but on Christmas and Thanksgiving I throw that out the window and get fuckin shitfaced. Too funny.
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Tell you what, I'll listen to you and this year 5 orphans won't get ANY christmas presents at all. I will send them a card which says "Sorry, kids but I have to prove my resolve to some concrete-thinking moron on the internet who can't tell the difference between doing 'what's right' and 'the right thing to do'. I'm sure you understand kids. Let this be a life lesson to you - Walmart is bad." Yeah, that's what I will do. Thanks for readjusting my fouled moral compass. Oh, and the drinking analogy - yeah that's a perfect metaphor for what I am doing. You really have me pegged.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
You see, but the government has a track record of improving things. It fixed or otherwise improved situations surrounding unfair labour practices (including child and slave labour), universal suffrage, gay rights, racism, social discrimination, consumer rights, etc.
I think what we should realize is that, no, we shouldn't rely on government alone to "fix" social problems, but they are a major participant. Social progress never happened through government alone; it always (or usually) started with "the people."
It's not the government's "job" to merely fix things; it's the government's job to serve the people. Most people are more than willing the help themselves if the odds aren't stacked tremendously against them.
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There's too much philosophy mixed with history to give a proper reply. Suffice to say, my believe is that the only things the government has fixed are things the government broke in the first place.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
cimmaron: i don't think anyone is arguing on the terms that you set out above.
all you're arguing is your position and it's reverse.
so one either agrees with your position or necessarily thinks the opposite, which of course you get to define.
a false binary, they call that.
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I assume you are referring to the terms I laid out in #670? If that is the case, then I am going to have to call BS. The current government, media, and members of this forum have attempted to drill into us ad nauseum that "Only government can fix this." To say that you guys haven't been arguing that point for years isn't exactly accurate. The inverse being - the government CAN'T fix this and the people must. Yep, I'll argue that point all day.