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Old 10-12-2009, 10:25 AM   #614 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by roachboy View Post
i wasn't going to post again to this thread as it has devolved onto "feelings" again, as if what matters about the obvious falsifications at the levels of data and interpretation that the bush people in the run-up to the iraq war was not the demonstrable problems with what was done and said, but rather whether you or i or someone else was dispositionally inclined to see these problems as amounting to lying or some such. so that the thread has come to is basically whether you like or do not like the application of the word "lie" to the bush administration--which is really just another way of talking about whether you supported the war in iraq or not.

there's nothing else happening here.
to my mind, the demonstrable falsification of data and the incoherences of interpretation made the case for invading iraq false.
you can quibble about what label you see as best following from that all you want, but there's no getting around the facts of the matter.
The bigger point is related to what we learn from history. It seems some can not see the folly in their view or their attempts to not take any responsibility for what happens in this world.

In some cases a broader view is required.

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Originally Posted by rahl View Post
Unless you know of a different defiinition to the word "lie" then you were lied to. False information was presented to the American people(including you), for the justification of invading iraq. Whether you "feel" iraq was a bad place or saddam was a bad guy is utterly irrelevant.
"There will be consequences"
"...you mean get him out of there?" I would like to...
"he is a danger"
"very serious consideration to military action - to stop that activity?

Again, when people say stuff like that what does it mean to you? Remeber they said it during the 2000 campaign. And then when they ask Congress for authority to use military force, what does that mean to you?

Come on folks??? This is crazy.
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