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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
It is utter and complete speculation on both our parts that "good" videos even exist. If you think that two college students had enough money and time on their hands to produce 300 attempts at this all around the country - well then fine, I will concede that if the ratio is 5 to 300 - it is not systemic. Now, I suspect they failed a few times. I will even say they failed 10 times. That's still 33% of the time they were helped in commiting fraud. That number is systemic.
I'm not going to argue with you about the 13-year-old sex worker part, you are just wrong. The first video from Baltimore has the ACORN woman telling the prostitute to claim the girls as dependents, "but no more than 3 because no one will believe a 20-year-old has 13 kids."
BTW, I do expect you to admit that I never said the unedited footage should be withheld.
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So when you said "So, why release those videos and allow this to be ignored?" you were not arguing against them being released? So when you said that that it would be stupid to request that all videos be released you were not being against their release? Is that what your argument really is?
As far as the 13 year old sex worker part, the only video to specifically mention a 13 year old is the San Bernardino one, and the answer was edited out. As many of the other clearly made up things that the woman at San Bernardino's were also edited out, which in turn makes 1 of the 5 videos not credible.
And with regards to how many offices they visited, these are not poor college kids. The girl is the daughter of one of a conservative talk show host.
And the locations they decided to visit is also telling: San Diego, San Bernardino, Baltimore, Brooklyn, and DC. They also claimed the Bronx office was closed. So they traveled all across the country, but did not visit any of the other 4 offices in NY? Only 1 of the 2 offices in MD? None of the 7 offices directly between NYC and DC? None of the offices in the several states in the region? And that is with the police report of them being kicked out of the Philadelphia office.
They went to San Bernardino and San Diego, but not to any of the offices around LA and between San Bernardino and San Diego?
They never tried to go to the Chicago offices, to try to tie this somehow with Obama?
I think there is a huge gap between what we actually have evidence of and what people perceive Acorn is guilty of. I would have no problem being convinced that it is indeed a systematic problem. I do have a problem with dismantling an organization based on edited video, without releasing all the material. If the original tapes were turned over, I would be easy enough to see the truth. Resistance to releasing those tapes leads me to believe something is up.