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Old 09-23-2009, 01:22 PM   #80 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by dippin View Post
In a case where the entire organization is being accused of something, how the fuck can you say that it is stupid to request the footage from the offices where nothing happened?

Only a partisan hack can claim that footage that shows no illegal behavior is irrelevant and that requesting it is stupid.

Do you seriously think that if those videos are 5 out of 300 the implications for acorn as an organization are the same if the videos are 5 out of 6?

And certainly saying that requesting such videos is stupid is akin to defending the non-release of them, right?

Besides, the importance of releasing the full unedited video is also obvious. One of the people in the videos claimed that she played along until she called the police. Do the videos show that? In fact, the editing of the videos has played such a role, that even you, who is so convinced that the videos show enough, was misled. You have stated in this thread the myth of the 13 year old sex worker, when in reality whatever acorn said about that was EDITED OUT of the video.


If acorn as an organization is guilty, they should certainly be punished. But I believe in due process. I'm not stupid or partisan enough to believe that edited video of a handful of individuals is enough to demonstrate that the organization itself is to blame, as opposed to just the individuals.
It is utter and complete speculation on both our parts that "good" videos even exist. If you think that two college students had enough money and time on their hands to produce 300 attempts at this all around the country - well then fine, I will concede that if the ratio is 5 to 300 - it is not systemic. Now, I suspect they failed a few times. I will even say they failed 10 times. That's still 33% of the time they were helped in commiting fraud. That number is systemic.

I'm not going to argue with you about the 13-year-old sex worker part, you are just wrong. The first video from Baltimore has the ACORN woman telling the prostitute to claim the girls as dependents, "but no more than 3 because no one will believe a 20-year-old has 13 kids."

BTW, I do expect you to admit that I never said the unedited footage should be withheld.
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