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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
Let me try this again - you think I should not be upset about the fraud because "voter registration fraud is different than voter fraud." The first is a precursor to the second. Both are fraud and I feel the same about both of them. An untainted electoral process is the cornerstone of a republic.
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You can be as upset as you want. I'm just saying one happened and the other didn't. Can I prove there was no voter fraud? No, but asking someone to prove a negative is bad form in a debate.
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I didn't say shut down the agency. If there are people stupid enough to donate money to ACORN, they can operate off of that - the way all other charities operate. I said cut federal funding until the allegations are proven false.
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They have not been convicted of any crimes. And what happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? You are saying they are guilty until proven innocent.
And cutting federal funding will more or less shut down the agency.
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You seem to think because "only 5 low-level offices" were complicit in tax fraud, loan fraud and human trafficking of underage sex slaves that it is isolated. My take is that, if 5 offices won't bat an eye over these things, imagine all of the smaller fraud that occurs every single day on tax forms and loan applications filed by ACORN in general. The same fraud but without the over-the-top storyline. That is the point that none of you seem to want to accept.
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I'm sure there is fraud. It's a not-for-profit agency that is paying barely trained people minimum wage. I'm sure similar things are happening at any number of agencies. Am I excusing the fraud? Of course not. But I'm also not damning the entire agency for the actions of the lowest level employees. Cutting ACORN's funding would be far more damaging and far-reaching than the petty fraud your alleging goes on