ManWithAPlan

It's not teleology to say that the universe must reside in something. It's just logical. If you have something that is not infinite, then what happens when you go outside it? Note: I'm not saying it does reside in something because I'm not saying it's finite. But if we take as given that it's finite, and we can traverse it, then that means there must be such a point where we cease to be in the universe and must be in _something else_.

Note the scenario where all space is bent such that when traveling to the outer reaches of the universe you end up wrapping around. This would be something like a hyper-sphere effect where the dimension is folded up upon itself. To me, that would be infinite, but that's another topic, sort of.


Why do you need a frame of reference? Because that's how time is measured. Theory of relativity?

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