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Old 06-12-2003, 08:07 AM   #74 (permalink)
butthead
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Since it seems that you people are emotional robots and bereft of any feeling, I would say that a heated and embattled arguement is therefore a waste of my time.
Yes, attack those who can actually control their emotions and present an argument as if they were the faulty ones. Classic.

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It all comes down to the fact that he left his child in his vehicle all day. The child, who didn't have any means of getting out of the vehicle on his own, died.
Which to me seems like an accident, but if you think it's homocide feel free to explain it.

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Point. If this was an accident as is claimed, why did no one from the care provider of the child call the father or the mother at all during the day? I mean, if the child went to a day care and didn't show up, wouldn't the day care call the phone numbers of the parents to see where the child was?
Oh, excellent point. Maybe you should call the day care and ask their policy on calling parents. You never know when your deliquent baby might choose to play hooky and go "smoke the pot" at the local hang out. This doesn't seem like a point at all because you're basing the "point" entirely on an assumption (a poor one at that), which I see you've done in your following points as well. When you attempt to prove murder, you typically need something more substantial than assumtions and "why didn't he...?" questions.

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Point. Why would he remember to take his 2 year old son to daycare, but forget to get his 7 month old son to where he needed to go? I mean, he remembered to take one son to a care provider, but he just casually forgets the other child is in the car?
Well, b00bman69, this is kind of the whole damn point. YES, WE ARE SUGGESTING HE DID FORGET HIS SON! Go back and read the posts that address this supporting the accident theory, now address the theory.

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I am having great difficulty just believing that this was an accident.
Maybe you are having a hard time finding him innocent because you already decided his guilt before considering the case or the arguments.

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Point. When he got in the vehicle after school was over, he didn't even claim to have found his child then. The article said that he found the child when he opened the door to let his 2 year old into the vehicle. Now, I am asking you, how could he not see his child or smell the van (as I assume the child used the bathroom at some point in the day over an 8 hour period) as soon as he sat in it.
Once again, this is a point based entirely on a chance encounter, a poor assumption.

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There are just too many things that do not add up for it to be a simple case of "oh, I just forgot" to me.
Well to my count, the things you say don't add up add up as two chance assumptions (assumptions that most likely have been verified by police investigators) and something we're trying to decide.

Pretend you are deciding the fate of this man. Try to come up with something more concrete. Using facts, prove to us beyond a reasonable doubt that this was murder.

Let us not forget the other parents mentioned in the story that left their dying babies in cars and were not charged. It would seem that there are other realistic possibilities beyond murder in cases like these.

Last edited by butthead; 06-12-2003 at 08:09 AM..
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