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Xazy · 09-01-2009, 08:02 PM

It is not so simple. Since Orthodox is more stringent then reform or conservative I would not be so ready to eat in someone house who does not adhere to Kosher (even if it is outside their house). While there is always a few who make others look bad, most Orthodox Jews do not believe you are less Jewish if you are reform or conservative (we may not believe you follow the rules), however it is not my place to judge another, and how would I know where I would be if our shoes were reverse.

Orthodox is growing stricter in many ways due to technology and invasion of society in to the culture. From billboards to television, internet, or just how people dress. Torah teaches women to dress modesty, how sex is for a man and his wife, a wife is to look sexy for him and not others. In a world where models and how women are viewed, how they dress (I live in NYC) just going to the store, the mall, sexuality totally invades our daily life. I do feel strongly that alot of this does affect marriages, and to a degree is responsible for divorces. But this is what the Jewish community is up against. Hasiddic communities like New Square, Satmer, they close their people off, to keep that all out, since to do otherwise you expose your community to things that religiously disagree with. I do not disagree with what they do.

I consider myself Orthodox, some may call me Modern Orthodox, I do my best to follow the Torah do I see tv, movies, yes. I cannot disagree with people more strict then me, but as when I do run in to one of the few (and I know the few stand out more since they are more vocal) who judge others for not following as they do "I may learn grow, become more strict, and if you want to show me something I will listen, but it is not our palce to judge anyone."

Also alot of Orthodox, who are more to the right, still interact and work in regular jobs, and commute. I know a Hasiddic doctor who is the head of peds, one who is a cop, etc... I do not think that only 'modern' orthodox play sports, work in regular jobs, or live in a regular community. Modern orthodox, you will find have a tv, go to movies, and the music. And while I have those, now that I have a child, I question the full need of a tv (trust me I am a tv addict like everyone else, but I have yet to find one show I would want my daughter to see), I just do not feel it is right to even mention to my wife.

09-01-2009, 08:02 PM	#51 (permalink)
Xazy People in masks cannot be trusted Location: NYC	It is not so simple. Since Orthodox is more stringent then reform or conservative I would not be so ready to eat in someone house who does not adhere to Kosher (even if it is outside their house). While there is always a few who make others look bad, most Orthodox Jews do not believe you are less Jewish if you are reform or conservative (we may not believe you follow the rules), however it is not my place to judge another, and how would I know where I would be if our shoes were reverse. Orthodox is growing stricter in many ways due to technology and invasion of society in to the culture. From billboards to television, internet, or just how people dress. Torah teaches women to dress modesty, how sex is for a man and his wife, a wife is to look sexy for him and not others. In a world where models and how women are viewed, how they dress (I live in NYC) just going to the store, the mall, sexuality totally invades our daily life. I do feel strongly that alot of this does affect marriages, and to a degree is responsible for divorces. But this is what the Jewish community is up against. Hasiddic communities like New Square, Satmer, they close their people off, to keep that all out, since to do otherwise you expose your community to things that religiously disagree with. I do not disagree with what they do. I consider myself Orthodox, some may call me Modern Orthodox, I do my best to follow the Torah do I see tv, movies, yes. I cannot disagree with people more strict then me, but as when I do run in to one of the few (and I know the few stand out more since they are more vocal) who judge others for not following as they do "I may learn grow, become more strict, and if you want to show me something I will listen, but it is not our palce to judge anyone." Also alot of Orthodox, who are more to the right, still interact and work in regular jobs, and commute. I know a Hasiddic doctor who is the head of peds, one who is a cop, etc... I do not think that only 'modern' orthodox play sports, work in regular jobs, or live in a regular community. Modern orthodox, you will find have a tv, go to movies, and the music. And while I have those, now that I have a child, I question the full need of a tv (trust me I am a tv addict like everyone else, but I have yet to find one show I would want my daughter to see), I just do not feel it is right to even mention to my wife.