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dc_dux · 09-01-2009, 06:23 AM

The fact remains that the collection of data beyond a simple count of persons is nearly as old as the census itself and such data collection has never been deemed to be unconstitutional.

Hell, I dont know for a fact, but I would guess than many of the framers were members of Congress in 1810 that enacted the legislation (directed by law) that the census be more than just a simple enumeration of persons , but for "such other purposes" as well including, as the oldest example, data on "arts and manufactures."

Libertarians like dk always make references to Madison/Hamilton (federalist papers) on constitutional issues. James Madison was president at the time...so why didnt he veto it if it was counter to the Constitution he drafted?

The question of Spanish language forms is absolutely part of of the new demagoguery of the Right.

Of course, that ignores history where in the early days of the country, many official government forms were bi-lingual - in german, french, swedish, etc. - depending on the demographics of the state/territory.

The only difference - white Europeans vs hispanic Mexicans.

09-01-2009, 06:23 AM	#62 (permalink)
dc_dux Location: Washington DC	The fact remains that the collection of data beyond a simple count of persons is nearly as old as the census itself and such data collection has never been deemed to be unconstitutional. Hell, I dont know for a fact, but I would guess than many of the framers were members of Congress in 1810 that enacted the legislation (directed by law) that the census be more than just a simple enumeration of persons , but for "such other purposes" as well including, as the oldest example, data on "arts and manufactures." Libertarians like dk always make references to Madison/Hamilton (federalist papers) on constitutional issues. James Madison was president at the time...so why didnt he veto it if it was counter to the Constitution he drafted? The question of Spanish language forms is absolutely part of of the new demagoguery of the Right. Of course, that ignores history where in the early days of the country, many official government forms were bi-lingual - in german, french, swedish, etc. - depending on the demographics of the state/territory. The only difference - white Europeans vs hispanic Mexicans. __________________ "The perfect is the enemy of the good." ~ Voltaire Last edited by dc_dux; 09-01-2009 at 06:52 AM..