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Originally Posted by dc_dux
ace...perhaps that is why some find it difficult and frustrating to engage you in the issue.
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Honesty?
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You complain that Obama showed no clear vision comparing it to Kennedy/the moon and Bush/Iraq. When the vision is pointed out to you, you agree with the vision, but dont like his leadership style..and play the irrelevant FDR card.
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Obama has been all over the place on this issue and you think it is my problem, even after I agree we need reform? Perhaps, it is clear to you. All I am saying it is not clear to me. Given the magnitude of the issue I am not going to give him the benefit of the doubt. In my book he needed a disciplined message, he needed to transmit that to his party and then to the nation. If he had, I bet he would have gotten what he wanted.
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Its simple...you dont like the Democratic proposals....that doesnt make them fraudulent..at the same time, you show no willingness to acknowledge the fraudulent demagoguery by the opposition.
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I can give reasons, I can list my concerns, I ask questions, I read what people like you say, and I get "you don't like Democratic proposals..." - so it is that simple?
The fraud is based on the dishonesty. The fraud is based on the strategy to rush an il conceived plan through before the nation had an opportunity to understand it, ask questions, etc.
I know you don't read everything I write, but I did state that there are those who have adapted a strategy simply to disrupt anything Obama wants to do. I also said this should not be a surprise to Obama or anyone else. I stated there are those who simply throw "everything" out there just to see what sticks. However, there are also those with legitimate concerns and questions. Wisdom is knowing the difference.
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I give Obama credit for trying to build consensus...
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I give him credit for being a good basketball player. Neither is relevant at the end of the day.
As Yoda says: "there is no try. There is do and there is not do." Yoda was a very wise Jedi.
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evidently that is not leadership to you or the Republicans in Congress who show no willingness to engage unless they get every thing they want..they, like you, would rather criticize than work together towards a solution.
Its time for the Democrats to forge ahead....resolve their own differences between the liberal wing and the blue dogs and to hell with the Republicans.
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That is a good start, or would have been a good start. Obama should have used his leadership to get consensus within his party before all these TH meetings and all the confusion. With that approach, ironically, he would have won over centrist Republicans - because centrist Republicans and centrist Democrats are not that different.