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moot1337 · 08-28-2009, 08:25 PM

Hasn't there been enough facepalm in this thread yet?

The Powers That Be have decided that automatic weapons are only acceptable in the hands of certain people (either law enforcement, military, or those with enough cash to obtain the proper background checks and tax stamps)

An "assault rifle" is not an option for Joe Blow on the street, no matter how much our asstarded media would like you to believe.

Further, when it comes to ballistics, heavy and slow wins for penetration versus light and fast, every time. The transition from above the sound barrier (in air) to far below it (in fluid) is quite turbulent, as has been mentioned, and modern intermediate cartridges like 5.56 NATO and 7.62x39 do NOT penetrate sufficiently. Further, if a bear is charging you, the skull has a large, flat area where the brow is - bullets, especially light ones, will be ricocheting off, if you get them off, and if they manage to even hit in that area under stress.

In all cases, Joe is limited to semi auto. Joe has to make every one of the few shots he'll get off count, which pretty much means the most deeply penetrating round he can fire comfortably, under stress.

Let's end the IMI and light rifle round fanboyism - this is not their field. It's not even close. IMI is almost unknown in the rifle world, because they barely make rifles. There's what, the Galil and the Tavor, and they're barely-if-at-all available to civilians? There are dozens of other companies, international and domestic, that make rifles to suit these needs, and IMI just isn't one of them. Sorry, but their pistols are not exemplary either. They're not bad, but not holy-cow wonderful either. Check CZ, HK, Steyr, hell - almost anyone else, and there are a plethora of weapons of equal or greater quality.

This thread is full of fail. Sorry SF, but there's no point in dragging this out any further. Please reread the posts from informed members, here and elsewhere. There is no debate.

08-28-2009, 08:25 PM	#81 (permalink)
moot1337 Insane Location: Learning to Fly...	Hasn't there been enough facepalm in this thread yet? The Powers That Be have decided that automatic weapons are only acceptable in the hands of certain people (either law enforcement, military, or those with enough cash to obtain the proper background checks and tax stamps) An "assault rifle" is not an option for Joe Blow on the street, no matter how much our asstarded media would like you to believe. Further, when it comes to ballistics, heavy and slow wins for penetration versus light and fast, every time. The transition from above the sound barrier (in air) to far below it (in fluid) is quite turbulent, as has been mentioned, and modern intermediate cartridges like 5.56 NATO and 7.62x39 do NOT penetrate sufficiently. Further, if a bear is charging you, the skull has a large, flat area where the brow is - bullets, especially light ones, will be ricocheting off, if you get them off, and if they manage to even hit in that area under stress. In all cases, Joe is limited to semi auto. Joe has to make every one of the few shots he'll get off count, which pretty much means the most deeply penetrating round he can fire comfortably, under stress. Let's end the IMI and light rifle round fanboyism - this is not their field. It's not even close. IMI is almost unknown in the rifle world, because they barely make rifles. There's what, the Galil and the Tavor, and they're barely-if-at-all available to civilians? There are dozens of other companies, international and domestic, that make rifles to suit these needs, and IMI just isn't one of them. Sorry, but their pistols are not exemplary either. They're not bad, but not holy-cow wonderful either. Check CZ, HK, Steyr, hell - almost anyone else, and there are a plethora of weapons of equal or greater quality. This thread is full of fail. Sorry SF, but there's no point in dragging this out any further. Please reread the posts from informed members, here and elsewhere. There is no debate. __________________ And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped. This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheeps' bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes. Oh, certainly, sir.