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Originally Posted by roachboy
ace--you continue to indulge in entirely circular logic....so there are many people who are either uninformed about the realities that once upon a time were the subject of the debate or who are politically motivated to be as obtuse as yourself or who simply believe what they hear repeated alot of times. or all the above.
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How creative - totally ignoring a question.
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so knowing the meme is false, and knowing--assuming you retain *something* of what you read even if you don't like what it says---what it's supposed to do--which is capture attention at the news cycle level entirely independently of whether it means shit or not---you're trying now to argue that because alot of people believe it's the case then it follows that this "death panel" idiocy must be taken seriously.
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Let's assume I am an idiot, and I am in a town hall meeting that you are leading, and I present what I presented above, your response would be...?
Got it. What do you think my response would be?
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basically, you have nothing to argue.
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Assuming I have nothing to argue, why not answer the question?
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you enjoy recycling the memes of the moment and imagine yourself performing some Heroic Thing by standing up to people who think you're positions are goofy here, and so you persist.
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It is a blessing and a curse - bow wow wow yippo yippy yay, nothing but the dog in me, somethimes I wish I did not have such a pit bull mentality - but I have learned to live with it, and I am mostly harmless.
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it's time for a tactical rethink.
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You wish!
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Originally Posted by filtherton
ace
It's not a death panel, though. It's an quantitative method used to help ensure that money isn't being disproportionately spent on ineffective medical care. And in any case, the status quo is already heavily focused on denying care to the sick.
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Is that a no or a yes to my question?
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BTW, did you happen to see the op-ed in your favorite, the IBD, claiming that Stephen Hawking would be dead had he been cared for by the British system? The dumbshits weren't aware that Hawking had been treated by the British system for his whole life. This right here is a microcosm of opposition to British-type systems. I wonder how well Hawking would have fared under the American system?
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I will go there now and read it.
I am not interested in trading one failing method of allocating resources for another, my preference is to come up with a better system. Trading one set of bureaucrats who don't care for another is not an improvement.
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I'll ask you the same question I posed to rahl earlier. It would seem that those opposed to a government option should have little to fear from it since they surely wouldn't buy a plan with a government death panel in it.
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I could support a single payer system for base level coverage with private options for supplemental coverage. However, currently Medicare is going broke my fear is that a public option will fail or require some massive rationing of care at some point. I think we need an honest discussion about this, rather than pretending it is not an issue, that it is not a fear and a concern that many people have. You have read it here, we are all victims of lies, we perpetuate the lies, we just think Obama is bad, we are illogical, we are unAmerican, etc, etc, etc - everything rather than addressing the issue.