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I am almost finished because it is getting to easy to take what has been written, mix and match them to make them seem absurd.

I am not naive neither are you. We both know that there is an element, or a group of people that are against Obama period. Their goal is to discredit him no matter what the issue or what the cost. They have a strategy. That strategy includes a "blitz" of information, misinformation, or whatever it takes. You know it, I know it, Obama knows it, anyone paying attention knows it. Bush also faced people like this. It is a part of the political game.

That is very different than the people who have legitimate disagreements with Obama. When I joke around and take pokes at Obama and his supporters, I will admit when I am doing it if it is not obvious. When I have a serious disagreement I respond to questions and back up my position even if it is simply to say my position is emotionally based.

To suggest that the people with legitimate concerns are being dishonest, seems to me to be dishonest.

I have said the use of the terms was inappropriate, the concept is not. Obama does need to clearly address the concern, if he wants expanded support of his plan.

I am concerned about vague, il defined concepts - what is "medically necessary"? If a person is in pain when does one pill too many become medically unnecessary and who makes that decision? If you are comfortable with a panel making that decision for you, so be it, I am not.

I questioned something specific in the WHO report. I questioned how people arrived at certain conclusions based on the data in the WHO including life expectancy. I showed how something like homicides can have an impact on life expectancy, is not related to quality of health care, is cultural and asked if WHO and others take factors like that into consideration before making health care value judgments.

This is a personal value judgment. On a larger scale it could also affect life expectancy. Some one made a point about days in the hospital, my point is that spending my last days in a hospital is something I won't do if I have any control over it. It is a personal choice. Everyone should be free to make that choice to the degree that they can.

I have not shifted positions at all. I conclude that given the number of points that I respond to that you don't keep them straight.

And oh, Obama=bad - I don't trust him, I think he will say one thing to one audience and another thing to a different audience. I think he is purposefully vague in his statements to claim he was correct regardless of the out come. I don't think he has strong convictions. I think he uses people when he needs them and then discards them the way he did with Rev. Wright. I think he is overly apologetic to the rest of the world and comes across as weak. And a few other things, but I am betting you have gotten the point. But this is totally separate from me disagreeing with his policies, when I have a problem with his policies I clearly state what my concern is and why.

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