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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
No. The mythology is in the words you correctly pointed out as powerful and moving: "death panel." In a sense, in Canada we have panels that arbitrate what is medically necessary and we have standards of care that are constantly being corrected and expanded. Where is Canada's "death panel"? Britain's? Australia's? (Or any other industrialized nation's besides the U.S. that happens to have some form of universal health care.) What's the myth here?
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I stated several times that the terms "death panel" are probably not appropriate. My point here is more regarding how the underlying issue was crystallized by Palin to spite the best efforts of the administration and the media to frame the debate. There is something here. It is surprising to me why there has been no legitimate response to this real concern.
From what you suggest it seems Canadian's are o.k. with how government allocates limited health care resources.
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I'm calling the Palin effect a good thing and a bad thing. It's good in that it forces Obama to be even more clear than before about the bill. It's a bad thing in that he now has an even greater challenge: he has to cut through the sensationalized bullshit that Palin has stirred up to do it. I'm not sure if this is a result of Obama's failure to do a good job of formulating and executing the bill, or if it's more because there are too many people creating distortion.
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It is never bad for people to have their fears addressed in an open and honest manner. I don't understand why people don't think this is an honest fear.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
again, the conservatives aren't debating in the same context as other folk. again conservatives are interested in news cycles. they want to win news cycle conflicts and one device for doing that is memes.
"death panel" is a meme. it sounds ominous. it's short. it refers to itself and not the world.
conservatives like repeating it.
conservatives like short statements.
news programmers like short statements. it's hard to give the illusion of having a handle on a world that's very complicated and moves around all the time. short statements and pithy camerawork are good for that.
if you provide a consistent illusion of having a handle on the world, consumers may well stay in their chairs until the vital advertising begins.
in that advertising, you see some of the effects of the fact that news outlets get quite alot of money from the insurance industry.
conservative organizations right now are getting quite alot of money from the insurance industry.
scary scary bad: something's happening out there but i don't know what it is. o look, here are some products that i desire. scary scary bad world. nice shiny consumer dreamscape.
death panel.
great stuff.
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Either you need conservatives or you don't. If you need them, you have to address their needs and concerns. If you don't, screw 'em. How is that for a short statement.
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Originally Posted by FuglyStick
Jayzus Christ, this thread went from entertaining to bat shit crazy.
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Could you elaborate?