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Originally Posted by dippin
The conclusion you can reach from that is that the US spends a larger proportion of their available money on healthcare. How hard can this be? If you want to know if something is cost-effective, you look at how much it costs, and the outcomes. In the US, for the costliest health care in the world you get something that is far, far from being the best health care in the world. Hence, other nations have much more cost effective systems.
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In a country like Zimbabwe in Africa they spend about $300 per year per person on food. The Zimbabwe GDP is about $300 per person according to Wikipedia. Zimbabwe spends about 100% of their economy on food, not counting what is donated. Zimbabwe ranked 155 in the Health care report. What do you conclude from this random bit of information, nothing.
Here is a link to "food" data:
Per capita food expenditures declining around the world. - Free Online Library
Now according to the World Health Organization the life expectancy in Japan, highest, was 74.5. For the US the number was 70.0 Here is their definition of how they came up with the number, and the link:
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Definition
Average number of years that a person can expect to live in "full health" by taking into account years lived in less than full health due to disease and/or injury.
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Here is their explanation:
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Since comparable health state prevalence data are not available for all countries, a four-stage strategy is used:
Data from the WHOGBD study are used to estimate severity-adjusted prevalence by age and sex for all countries.
Data from the WHOMCSS and WHS are used to make independent estimates of severity adjusted prevalence by age and sex for survey countries.
Prevalence for all countries is calculated based on GBD, MCSS and WHS estimates.
Life tables constructed by WHO are used with Sullivan's method to compute HALE for countries.
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World Health Organization Disability Adjusted Healthy Life Expectancy Table (HALE)
Here is a link to data from our National vital Statistics report from the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_09.pdf
Page 30 shows life expectancy of a person born in 2004 of 77.8, compared to the 70.0 number above and the 74.5 number for Japan. Then if we look in the data (realizing this is a nation with racial issues with blacks and Hispanics - legal and illegal) if we look at white people only, the life expectancy is - 78.3 compared to 69.5 for black males.
So, what do you conclude from those bits of information?
Then if we look at something like homicide, which has an impact on life expectancy. We find that the US had a homicide rate 3.3 times higher than Canada in 2000. Here is a link to a report:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-...001011-eng.pdf
What do you conclude from that?
How does the WHO report adjust for these kinds of factors when coming to a conclusion about health care? You don't know, I ask questions. You take the report on blind faith, I challenge the report. You think I have a problem, I don't. I spend time connecting dots, do you?
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Originally Posted by Shauk
LOL dude, you're a riot. It's like watching the hannity line of logic, it just falls flat on it's face. Apples to oranges and strawmen all over the place.
At least put some effort in to making sense next time.
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Did you read what I was responding to? I get tired of the line about how liberals protest against war. That is bull shit. They risk nothing when they go out and do their little protests.