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Originally Posted by ratbastid
Notice how hard you have to work to make this point? That might NOT be a function of the density of the people you're talking into. It might instead be an indicator of the stretch that your point is.
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I generally assume when I fail to clearly communicate a point that the failure is mine. In some instances I conclude that some of my points are simply ignored, but there is a difference between that and when I don't have the ability to clearly communicate what I am thinking. My points are usually elementary, the difficulty is in eliminating the "noise". So, even this point can easily be interpreted the wrong way as an insult to the reader. But the point is elementary - simplicity is surrounded in a fog of complexity, with the challenge being to cut through the fog.
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ANYHOO
Bottom line for me: liberals protest war, conservatives protest health care. Ok! That's the world we live in, I guess.
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Didn't see any liberals going over to Afghanistan to protest right after 9/11, did you? Didn't see any liberal protesters going over to Iraq after they invaded Kuwait, did you? Didn't see any liberal protesters in Iraq as Saddam was ordering hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people be killed, did you?
Didn't see any liberal protesters in Vietnam after the US withdrew protesting the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, did you?
Don't see any liberal protesters going to N. Korea or Iran to protest the war postures those countries are taking to perhaps help reduce the risk of another war, do you?
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Originally Posted by Martian
Ace, as a point of interest I thought you might like to know that with your horse analogy your argument has officially become so ludicrous that, despite my best efforts, I'm incapable of taking it seriously.
I was planning on going for a walk this afternoon. I'd best step carefully -- apparently if I break my ankle, they'll shoot me.
EDIT - Also, I find it interesting that your op-ed piece should be taken as a credible source, while statistics from the international organization whose sole mandate is to monitor and report on the state of healthcare across the globe are bullshit.
If you're swimming in Egypt, what river are you in?
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I don't take any statistics seriously until I look at them in detail. The point of the op ed peice was to quickly show that there was a different perspective concerning the notion that US health care is inferior to other industrialized nations. It all depends on how you parse the numbers. Sebelius never clarified what she meant by her comments, there are questions, and those questions remain unanswered. It appears that you are not even curious. I am willing to dig deeper, read reports and footnotes, etc., I am still waiting for someone to give a link to the report so we can look at it in detail - I can not find a free copy.