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Except that the movie in no way portrays the outcome of the assassination as positive or desirable... that is akin to saying that "red dawn" was a call for a communist invasion...
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how is that in any way a "death panel?" First, if it's something already in place then it can't be a feature of the proposed reform. Second, how is this a "death panel?" Third, so is she advocating that doctors be forced to take medicare?
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It is not a "death panel", I think they are called Quality Improvement Organizations or QIOs. Among other things QIOs investigate and resolve issues relating to non-coverage and appeals for coverage reconsideration. If you have an issue, you present your case to one of these panels.
Medicare pays claims that are "deemed medically necessary." And the medically necessary procedures are subject to treatment and care based on a set of "approved charges". If you are poor and you have a doctor that does not accept these charges, if you face a life or death issue with lets say using some some cutting edge "experimental" procedure or drug, you may have no options other than death. So the question is what criteria is used and what criteria will be used under Obama's plan.
This is a legitimate concern. The issue is being ignored, Obama's platitudes and dismissive attitude is disturbing.
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Don't the insurance companies already decide to not cover certain things or perform recission? It seems to me like the insurance companies are the death panels.
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Yes, insurance companies make these kinds of decisions, and I have some problems with our existing system. However, Obama ignoring the question regarding the public option is not helpful. Simply saying it is being done in the private sector does not make me feel better about it, nor does it address the problems with it.
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Insurance companies don't decide not to cover someone based on a "death panel". If a procedure or condition isn't covered it is stated clearly in the policy that is issued.
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Not always. And in HMO's with the "gate keeper", that person has too much power in my view. And I will say it again, I doubt having the "gate keeper" being a federal government employee solves that problem.
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As an outsider, I am simply (and continually) amazed at how your nation manages to even function with such division over such basic ideas (and ideals).
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I am amazed by stuff like this:
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More than 70% of adults in countries with government-controlled health care — Britain, Germany, Australia and New Zealand, as well as Canada — complain that their systems need either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."
That's because they wait longer for treatment and die sooner than Americans from common cancers and other diseases, according to a study by Dr. Scott W. Atlas, a Hoover Institution senior fellow and chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center.
Consider breast cancer mortality, which is 88% higher in Britain and 9% higher in Canada. Or prostate cancer mortality, which is 604% higher in Britain and 184% higher in Canada.
We have better cancer survival rates not only because we have better treatment, but because we have earlier detection. And we have earlier detection because we have better access to tests that screen for cancer.
For example, almost 90% of middle-aged U.S. women have had a mammogram, compared with 72% of Canadians; more than half of U.S. men — 54% — have had a prostate-specific antigen test, while only 16% of Canadians have had a PSA, and fully 30% of Americans have had a colonoscopy — the procedure for detecting colon cancer — compared with 5% of Canadians.
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