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Yeah, I'm not a libertarian. The definition can only stretch so far before breaking under the stress. I'm more on the collectivist side of the scale, though I'm not by any stretch a strict collectivist. We're all shades of gray, unless you're an ideologue and those people are generally both useless and boring at a party.
If I may, as the world is more complex a simple answer—sticking to one ideology—seems less and less reasonable. For some things we need individualism and for other things we need collectivism.
This thread, for me, is more about understanding the other side of the coin.
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