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Originally Posted by dc_dux
I'm curious what points you think ace made about the credit card bill of rights legislation that Obama signed as not being in the interest of the "little guy"?
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What about the point that the guy who is currently paying 20%+ , trying to do the right thing, is still paying 20%+? This is the same guy that may have been paying 10% a few months ago.
This is happening in an environment where these banks and get capital for 1% or less, they get billions in bailouts, the pay billions in bonuses, and one company in particular made record profits.
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Health care...what is it in the expansion of the S-CHIP program that Obama signed that Bush vetoed twice that extends health care to an additional 4 million children of working class families (but who do not receive health care benefits from employers) that is not helping "the little guy"?
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SChip is not new. How many more children are insured today than under Bush or what percentage? What about the net impact adjusting for increased regressive taxes to pay for the program.
Also, I already stated that the statement was hyperbole. One of the differences between me and you is that when I get called on using hyperbole or exaggerating to accentuate a point, I acknowledge it. Hyperbole or exaggeration aside, the primary point is still on the table, Obama is a bullshit artist - he says one thing to one group and will say the opposite to another - he creates false choices - he hedges his comments to provide cover for whatever actually happens....
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Originally Posted by filtherton
This is a recurring problem with Ace, because he frequently pretends to lack the ability to either a) see causal links where they exist and/or b) not create causal links where none exist. So he cites information to back up his position that actually has nothing to do, or is only tangentially related to, his position. Then, when someone tries to reconcile this mismatch with him, he either pretends to not understand, reiterates his original position as if it still made sense, or says something else that is only tangentially related to the topic at hand.
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Mostly, when I ask a specific followup question, it does not get a direct answer or is completely ignored.
Like now, I am going to ask you to direct me to a specific example that illustrates what you are talking about. Just give me a thread and a starting post #.
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We're talking about feelings here, dc. Facts have little bearing.
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Is this an exaggeration to accentuate a point or a bit of hyperbole?