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Old 08-05-2009, 10:57 PM   #79 (permalink)
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Of course, it was just a disclaimer. How silly of me.

It's still the same conservative rhetoric. It's their own fault that the poor are poor. If they'd just work a little harder, they'd not be poor anymore! You assume that the poor are poor simply because they're not working hard enough, they're just not willing to "get up and do something about it". I cannot imagine a more untrue and horrible attack on the poor. Roachboy had a really eloquent response to a similar claim made recently, I'll have to find it tomorrow.
You think I'm saying this because I have money and poor people are lower than low? I hope not. I grew up with nothing. My aspirations were to make pizzas in high school or flip burgers and become a manager of a mcdonalds. In the orphanage, I made 2 dollars a week on good behavior. Less if I fucked up. My goal every weekend was to buy a quart of cookies n cream ice cream and a bottle of sprite so I could have a cookies n cream float.

I met my wife, got my shit together and now I have a BS in the sciences from A&M and I am an IT professional. This is the first time in my life that I am not dependent on my folks, and that's only been in the past few months. We're living paycheck to paycheck, but at least we're making it. And how are we making it? By not having kids and working hard. Oh and we took out loans and worked through college.

So guess what, I got up and did something about it. If my ADHD crazy violently beaten and damn near psychotic childhood ass could do it, so can some level-headed but otherwise poor individual. Use a fucking condom and go get a job. Sorry, that's my truth man. No other way to put it.

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You know poor people that own 50 acres of land? By what measure are you determining "poor"?
Down here several farmers went under or nearly went under because they had land but either lost crops because they couldn't treat them, or couldn't drum up enough money to raise cattle. That's my example. Of course, the rest that own a house can sell it. If they don't own a house, move in with the folks. No folks? Find a roommate to split the rent.

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I'm not sure what this has to do with the government, the poor, or healthcare. Sorry you were threatened, though.
Umm, so have you never visited the projects?

Tell you what, Will. If you ever come down here to Houston, shoot me a PM. We'll get a beer and lunch, then head over to the projects in a town I used to live in. By the time we're back, you'll wish they had never been invented.

It's gov't funded living. Food stamps keep the massive families fed. Baybay kids run around without shirts. Since the food stamps and drug money keep them fed, the parents can chat all day, or sit around smoking weed or drinking, or use surplus money for gold trimmed wheels. All thanks to the wonderous food stamp act.

What I would like to know is why we can't wean those families off the stamps, and start paying more kids to go to college. Those project families aren't going to college. Half of them didn't even finish high school. With food stamps, they sure as fuck don't care now. It's like jail - why work when you can get free room and board?! A few of them ended up dead from the gangs they join. I know a few that went that route, one was even in my 9th grade science class. Another one got locked up for holding up a school bus with a shotgun.

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Do you have health insurance?
Yep. I pay 400 a month for it. My wife has her's paid through work. When I get my next job (next week) I'll have much cheaper insurance through them.
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