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Originally Posted by Vigilante
I'm talking about what I think of as "handout agencies". Food stamps, projects, that sort of thing. You ever been to the projects, Will? Try some of that good ol gov't cheese - every day. Make something with it. It's like bad cheddar mixed with velveta. The almond butter was fantastic, too.
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I have to pick through this a bit to get at what you're saying. The only thing specific I can see is that you don't think food stamps work. Only they do work, and they work incredibly well. Do you know anyone that lives in Oregon? I do (HI SNOWY! *waves*). Back around 2000, Oregon had a serious hunger problem. Low income workers simply couldn't afford to feed themselves and their families, and it was at a rate that was alarmingly high. Because of welfare reform in the 90s, Oregon was able to change the income limit for food stamps, and between 2000 and 2004, Oregon was the only state in the country that was able to lower its hunger rate. Without food stamps, many hard working Oregonians would have starved.
But it gets a lot better. Food stamps are one of the most efficient ways for the government to stimulate the economy, according to most economists. Why? It's incredibly efficient.
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Originally Posted by Vigilante
I fear the country will be one big charity hospital. Ever been to one with a broken bone? You get to sit for a couple of hours and bleed while several illegals in front of you complain about having a cold or are there with 5 kids because one of them has a simple salmonella/food poisoning incident. You don't get to jump ahead in line unless you have a coronary on the floor, but as we've seen in the news, sometimes even then you get to die alone.
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Are you asking if I've ever had to wait in line at an ER because of an illegal guest worker? I haven't. In fact, according to statistics that you can find on google, most uninsured people in ERs are white American citizens.
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Originally Posted by Vigilante
And old people often hang on to medicare because usually it's about all they've got left, aside from their kids chipping in. You should hear my mom. She's scared shitless that the gov't is going to leave the aging baby boomers out in the cold.
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Fear of something is not evidence of something because fear can be irrational.