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Old 08-03-2009, 12:47 PM   #30 (permalink)
james t kirk
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Originally Posted by Gebbinn View Post
I dont even know where to begin. I will keep it as short as I can.

The government health plan will cost billions of dollars, if not trillions.

Thats, 500,000,000,000... or 1,000,000,000,000. That money has to come from somewhere. There is no such thing as a government program taking less money, it doesn't happen. Obama's saying they are going to cut the fat from all these programs already in place to pay for socialized health care is just political haranguing. They will make it look like they are taking money, but they will just turn around and give it right back to the same people under a different name. So the net tax revenue to pay for all this is going to be astronomical. That money will come from "the rich" in the form of new taxes. "The Rich" are those people who pay the wages to 95% of all working Americans. So, they will have to pay more money to pay for socialized health care. To keep to the point... Employers will dump their private insurance plans, because it makes absolutely no fiscal sense for them to pay for two different health care systems, which is what the end result will be.
Yeah, but.....

You Americans are ALREADY paying for health care insurance (and some pretty high rates at that)

All you have to do is implement a gov't run health car system where you eliminate the fat cat middle men (do you know that your average medical bill, only 16% of the bill is for the doctor's time) and your costs will decrease. You get the same health care, just eliminate the parasites who are getting rich off sick people.

Ultimately, there are ALLOT of people in the USA who are profiting on the suffering of others (the insurance companies). They are the ones who don't want to change the status quo.

In the end, it's all about the money. Always has been, always will be.

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Originally Posted by Derwood View Post
Why not propose a hybrid plan, where your taxes "buy" base coverage for everyone in the country (yearly physical, a high deductible ER/hospital coverage, prescription coverage), and then allow people to supplement that with private insurance?

Also, is anyone in favor of divorcing health benefits from employment? (In other words, keep private insurance, but have it so everyone purchases it individually, thus removing the issues of losing your benefits when you lose your job and/or not leaving a bad job because you can't afford to lose the insurance)
The arguement is that it is a slippery slope, who determines what the minimum is?

What heappens when services keep getting moved to the rich health care plan?

What about the doctors who don't want to work with the poor?
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