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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
When those businesses, or portions thereof, come under Gov't ownership or control (State ownership of Means Of Production), Socialism is the accurate term. Whether those businesses were "helped" or not, they have been brought under full or partial Gov't ownership and control, ergo Socialism. Perhaps not fully Socialized, but the term is accurate.
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...But the gov't doesn't own them. The gov't just gave them a shit ton of money to keep on truckin. We, as the people and gov't, will get no return on said money. We will have no control over the goings ons of, say, Goldman Sachs or Boeing. Hell, we don't even know where a lot of the money went. I'm sorry, but your point is COMPLETELY and entirely null.