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Old 07-22-2009, 08:49 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Let's take a different approach.
Before we do, just for my own edification, you believe that homosexuals are real, right? You understand (note: I didn't say "believe") that some men are sexually attracted to men and some women are sexually attracted to women?
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How is the reality of the color blue defined to a man who is color blind and has been from birth? You can not. The man who is color blind has to accept on faith the alternate reality that a color known as blue exists.
I'm colorblind, oddly enough. I have trouble with certain hues of blue and purple, and certain reds and greens. According to my doctor, there are some colors that the average person can see that I can't, and there are probably some colors that I see that other people can't. Here's the thing, though: the actual color can be objectively verified. (I've actually done this before) All I have to do is take a photograph with a good camera, upload the picture to your computer, open it in an illustration program and then use the sample tool. The sample tool then shows you where on the color palate the color is located. It's an independent and verifiable method of determining color that I can trust.

I know this just seems like I'm skirting your illustration, but I'm trying to illustrate something myself: many things in our lives can be independently verified to a high degree of likelihood through deduction and use of methodology that's been developing for thousands of years and will only continue to be more precise and reliable. One can discover, through such methodology, the most likely reality in a given situation. Reality isn't purely subjective, if you don't believe me, take a picture of something, move it to your computer, and verify it's color.
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The concept of threat is subjective. Each person has their own threshold for what they would deem a threat.
Threat might be subjective to a point, but eventually it can become something most people agree on. If I have a gun in your face and am in the process of pulling the trigger, in that instant I suspect most if not all people would agree I'm a threat to your well being.
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Some things not understood require faith.
This isn't some abstract debate about god. This is about very real and objectively verifiable facts.

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A) There is disagreement on what WMD are. Some say they are only defined by nuclear weapons, others don't.
Again, this is objectively verifiable.
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Any explosive or incendiary device, as defined in Title 18 USC, Section 921: bomb, grenade, rocket, missile, mine, or other device with a charge of more than four ounces;
Any weapon designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals or their precursors;
Any weapon involving a disease organism; or
Any weapon designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life.
Federal Bureau of Investigation - What is a Weapon of Mass Destruction?

Considering the term weapon of mass destruction came from the government, the responsibility of defining it is theirs. Anyone that doesn't agree with this definition isn't holding a different opinion but an incorrect definition.
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