Originally Posted by Toaster126

Pankration, the predecessor of modern MMA, was at the Olympic games in 648 BC. I don't post this to argue the points of this thread, because I see that is pointless because something can't be discussed between two people if only one person is listening. I post because I figure someone will find that interesting to learn more about, and appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Zeraph

Anything televised is a sport and not a martial art. Any school that gives black belts to children is not teaching a martial art. They may be very talented athletes, I'm not putting down their achievements, but they are not martial artists.

Martial artists do not have rules. There is no cowardice or bravery in a martial art; only the dedicated study and pursuit on how to efficiently kill man.