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Old 06-11-2003, 11:53 AM   #73 (permalink)
butthead
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I am a parent butthead, are you? Quote me all you want, but any man that lets his child die in this manner makes me sick.
Oh, the tried and true attempt at disqualification, the trademark for a lack of an actual argument. You'd think people would stop trying that shit on me and actually debate after so many failures.

Would you really cruelly punish this man simply because you have a personal bias against these situations? It seems your frustrations are misguided. What if I were to say, "quote me all you want, but any person with black skin makes me sick." It's an exteme analogy, but it fits very closely to what I see here. It seems to be based on nothing concrete at all and merely on personal intolerance. Your personal intolerance for an individual should not enter the equation when deciding what is "just". And second, it defeats logical debate.

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Leaving a child in the car locked up all day and forgetting isn't even remotely the same as, "Did I leave the light on?" or "Did I turn off the iron?" or "Did I lock my doors to the car?" It is (should) be an entirely different level of consciousness when talking about your own children. It is for me.
So what the hell is your point? That this was intentional? PROVE IT!!! The only thing you are using is the "I WOULDN'T FORGET THAT" argument, which we've all heard and which we've all seen is not true for every parent.

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It seems that there are so many people that want to say, "Oh, he just forgot." Well, ask yourself this, how did he get to a parking space, pull in to park, gather up whatever teaching supplies he may have had with him, get his coffee (it was mentioned in the article) and then just close the door, lock it and not see his child in the safety seat...
It seems so many people just want to say "HEY, I WOULDN'T DO THAT, THERFORE IT WAS INTENTIONAL" without actually backing up their argument with FACTS or even addressing the counter-arguments on their own grounds!

We addressed this point in the past, for a reminder, see 4thTimeLucky's first option in above post.

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I think too damn many people are not thinking what had to happen in order for that child to be left there
This thread is littered with emotionally charged drivel. If you want to express your grief or feelings for this, fine, but don't try to make it your argument because it will only be detrimental to logical debate.

Second, what role does the child's ordeal have in the treatment of the father? If you refuse to construct a logical argument, at least answer this. What does "the child was left baking in the hot sun, blah blah blah, gasping and crying for help, blah blah" have to do with determining what happens to the man? It wasn't intentional. It will probably haunt the guy for a long time. What good with punishment do? Explain that. What end are we working toward here? A world where special circumstances are ignored and severe mistakes are met with cruelty in the name of determent? How much more will cruelty deter people over reading about the excrutiating death of a child and at what price?

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I just don't see how someone can NOT SEE his child in the seat when he parked and got out for work for the day... I just don't see it as such an easy thing to forgive.
It was an accident. It wasn't spilled milk, no one is saying that. But I think punishing this man will just add to the tragedy. Justify prison time, torture, death, or other punishment over counseling. The guy went through some heavy shit and if we're going to reach out I think it should be with open arms.

Explain your views this time, please.

Last edited by butthead; 06-11-2003 at 12:13 PM..
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