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Originally Posted by ratbastid
You miss my logic entirely.
Put yourself outside it. I punch Willravel in the nose. Whose fault is it?
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You are.
You would be guilty of assault and battery, given the information.
He lives with the consequences of being hit. He does not get a "do over", perhaps he can recover his medical expenses and perhaps get compensatory damages. But, his nose will never be the same, he will always live with the fact that he got hit in the nose. His life has been altered.
He can do a few things after the above. He can asses what happened and why. He can do things to reduce the risk of getting hit in the future.
He could have done a few things before the fact. If he knows he is going into an adversarial situation with you, if he know you have a history of punching people in the nose, if he knows the consequences of getting hit, etc., etc., he could have done things to reduce the risk of getting hit to begin with.
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Here's where my analogy fails: Will might have been able to see my punch coming. Cheney set this thing up so there was NO way Congress could have seen it coming.
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According to Pelosi - the CIA lied to Congress in the past.
According to previous incidents there is evidence that the CIA as acted inappropriately in the past.
We have the known history of men like J. Edgar Hoover.
We have had virtually 8 years of Democrats saying the Bush administration lied.
We have a VP that wrote the book on increasing executive power.
We have had secrete wire tap programs.
We had the failed CIA intel regarding WMD
We had the Plame matter.
We had alledged torture.
We had secrete renditions.
We had the President of the US say - ..."I will do everything in my power to keep the US safe..."
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
And you want to make excuses for Congress?????
In matters like this you get one "bite of the apple", what if the issue was launching a nuclear bomb and starting a nuclear war - oops, they lied to us, in Congress, we hope you (the human race) understand that we just didn't have the balls to stop it!!!! I don't accept that as an o.k. response, do you? Really???
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Originally Posted by ratbastid
Sorry man. Making a point. Let me help you up. (Although ace says you had it coming like those pussy Democrats in Congress.)
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See, this illustrates that you simply don't understand. I am not calling them names. I simply want them to act in a manner consistent with their words, reality, and live up to the responsibilities we have given them. Pelosi, is what, the third or fourth most powerful person politically in the nation - and she acts like a victim!!! I would resign rather than go in front of the American people saying "they lied" to me. I would not let them "lie" to me. that is how important her job is, and the jobs of our elected officials.
{added} I just thought of my own "punch in the nose" analogy:
Let's say you are a boxer. And you enter the ring against your opponent. You get hit in the nose. To me you are not a victim. You are in a fight. You knew you were in a fight when you stepped into the ring. that is what oversight responsibility is like - you know you are in a fight.