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Old 07-09-2009, 09:26 AM   #215 (permalink)
aceventura3
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Originally Posted by roachboy View Post
well, ace, i think that most of the questions that remain are psychological. like what you're capable of seeing, what you're not, why that is.
I find it ironic, that you direct that to me. I am one the few who will strongly defend those I am an admitted fanatic (even admitting that, should score me points) for and then will state when I don't support a position they have held or something they have done. I admit my biases. I admit when I am uninformed. I admit when I have not read something. I ask questions. And I explain how I come to my conclusions. And, I admit when my mind is closed on an issue. I even respond to your critiques of all of my many failings.

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you're in an imaginary fight with imaginary obama supporters whose politics are nothing more than the reverse image of your own.
Do I imagine folks like DC, Will, etc? I don't understand your point.

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what gives this projection its traction is movement generated by the stream of conservative-specific factoids that constitute the "evidence" in this thread.
Just as an example, nobody in the media or any where that I know of actually looked at the Army Field Manual to see how the policy contained in the manual actually compares to the guildlines the Bush administration developed. Just looking at the words, we took a step backwards under Obama, not forward.

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if you actually bother to read through it, you see alot of different types of expressions of ambivalence concerning some of obama's actions, which typically have followed those few moments when the conservative-specific infotainment/ "Evidence" hasn't been so mangled that it says nothing except as a therapeutic matter for conservatives.
Again, this is why I simply say some of this is pure entertainment for me.

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so there's no real there there ace.

you seem to be of this school--of which i sometimes think you're the only member--that confuses denial and principle, inflexibility with conviction. i don't understand the appeal of this, but maybe that's why i find so much troglodyte about contemporary american conservativism. a temperment problem at bottom. whether the world is small and rigidly defined or not. it's always possible to shrink the world, but why bother? same thing again.
Or, perhaps I am not that deep. Like I repeatedly state - I am a simple person. You make this way too complicated.

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Originally Posted by Willravel View Post
I'm sure Ace isn't the only member of that group that features denial as a virtue.

Actually yes, that's what most of us are saying.
But do you know what I have been saying.

It seems to me, given our exchanges on the issue of torture, that you would be concerned regarding the hype and the reality of what Obama actually did.

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just an interjection here, but if we've had so many years of absolute republican rule, wouldn't we be in a utopia by now according to fox news?
Not sure about speaking for FOX, but all I want is an opportunity to accomplish my goals in life, live in freedom, and maintain personal choice. That gets us pretty close to utopia. I have gone from being a Republican to a Libertarian and back again. Republicans don't have all the right answers on all the issues nor do Libertarians - but they are on the correct side of my political leanings.
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