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Old 07-01-2009, 09:47 PM   #45 (permalink)
Willravel
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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights View Post
Look Will, I know that you love to argue, and to disagree with me just to argue, but did you really type that with a straight face? Seriously?
I don't argue for the sake or arguing. The Second Amendment made sense hundreds of years ago, but it makes no sense now, and yet many people support it. My argument is more to point out the true absurdity of giving any idiot a gun by pointing out the hypocrisy of not allowing a 17 year old to have a gun because of some sort of inability to be responsible. It's a silly and unsupportable double standard.
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Phhht, well yeeeaah. I think my first marriage illustrates your point rather nicely.
That point conceded. But at some point we have to pick a point where we say that our children are grown, and it's time for them to assume full responsibility for their actions and enjoy the rights and privileges that come with it. For things like voting, gun ownership, military service and so on...that arbitrary age should be 18. We have to set the bar somewhere. 18 makes as much if not more sense, to me, as any other. 14? No freakin' way, man.
We have a long history of insisting on setting the bar for rights somewhere arbitrary because we assume there needs to be a bar.

The exclusion of any group from franchise requires positive justification, you can't just rest on precedent or your laurels. What's your actual reason for not wanting kids to vote? Is it because you don't think they would be responsible voters? Do you think their votes would be heavily influenced or controlled? Do you think kids are already represented by parents? Do you think kids will vote for selfish or illogical policies? All of these are easily debunkable.
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