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Old 06-28-2009, 07:59 AM   #16 (permalink)
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your comments on my icon and byline are silly.

if you want to discuss what churchill thought about pan-european institutions... that's fine. he did advocate for a strong europe united under common formal structures. but, it's a strong leap to justify what has happened since with his original vision. i suspect that his vision of a united europe didn't include the UK to such a degree (read the last sentence of the speech you cited. he includes the UK along with other powers who would exist outside the United States of Europe). neither would he encourage UK participation without more popular support. i'm quite sure that churchill would not approve of the prevailing doctrines concerning immigrant assimilation.

even if there is a good argument to be made that churchill foresaw these problems and would, nevertheless, approve of current policy, it's still a bad idea.
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