View Single Post
Old 06-24-2009, 09:49 AM   #26 (permalink)
MSD
The sky calls to us ...
 
MSD's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: CT
From the last "Nice Guy" thread. I've been saying this in some form for years (after realizing that being a "nice guy" was my entire problem) and I'm pretty content to just copy and paste it at this point.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MSD View Post
Why do Nice Guys(TM) never get the girl? Because they're Nice Guys(TM) (hereafter abbreviated "NG") and not just nice guys. I consider being a NG a personality disorder. The NG has it in his mind that nice guys finish last, and sees himself as a sort of tragic hero. He's not just what women want, he's what they need, he's better than all those other guys out there, he'll treat them like they deserve to be treated. This breaks down into our first two major problems with the NG.

First, women want a man, not a doormat. They want to be treated as equals, not put on a pedestal and worshipped. If he gets into a relationship with this mindset, the NG will range from clingy and creepy to outright codependent. As much as he professes to understand women and their needs and wants, he will become insecure and jealous when they don't return his unconditional love and dedication. The other extreme is that he will become disillusioned and jaded with a relationship that isn't the fairy tale he envisioned, and grow resentful and misogynistic and extol the virtue and truth of Ladder Theory.

Second, the NG thinks that being nice is enough, that women will be attracted to him because of his personality, but he always ends up in the "friend zone." He ends up there for one or both of two reasons: one is that he's deluded himself into thinking that being nice is all that matters and fails to develop any other redeeming qualities; the other is that he hasn't developed the emotional intelligence to realize that he needs to be proactive in seeking non-platonic relationships.

This leads him into a downward spiral of being the guy whose female friends see him as a big brother who they can go to for help with their problems. They genuinely like him as a friend and assume that since he hasn't shown any outward signs of interest that he feels the same way toward them. Meanwhile, our NG sits by, assuming that his friends know how he feels waiting for the day when they realize that they don't want the boyfriends they complain to him about, they want him. Some of these friends think he's a genuinely a good guy who wants to be there for them when they need someone to vent to, someone to help them out, a shoulder to cry one. A few may recognize him for the doormat that he is and take full advantage of it; sure, it's manipulative, but he's willing to be manipulated.

I guess it is kind of tragic in a way, because it's all his fault and he can't understand why.
MSD is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360