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Old 06-22-2009, 11:30 AM   #10 (permalink)
Martian
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Maybe it's the title that's throwing me.

Regardless:

re⋅al
1  /ˈriəl, ril/
–adjective
1. true; not merely ostensible, nominal, or apparent: the real reason for an act.
2. existing or occurring as fact; actual rather than imaginary, ideal, or fictitious: a story taken from real life.
3. being an actual thing; having objective existence; not imaginary: The events you will see in the film are real and not just made up.


There's not a lot of room for ambiguity there.

It occurs to me that we may actually be having a different discussion from the one I thought we were having. If we want to talk about the insubstantiality of ideas, there may be something there in the direction that you seem to want to go in. A right is not something that I can hold in my hand. I cannot barter it for goods or services. I cannot steal it from you, and I cannot show it to you. It is not concrete, and it's existence does depend on the people who hold to it. Is that what you're trying to convey?
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