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And I have to say, for someone who is apparently so enamored of electronic music forms, I am shocked at little you appreciate the debt those forms owe to rap and hip-hop. I mean, jesus, didn't you just start a thread recently saying how much you like early Prodigy? I tend to think that if most of the musicians you appreciate as artists were to come here and see this thread of yours, you'd be the subject of some pretty scathing public humiliation. Learn your history.
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I'm done with this thread.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm tired of feeling like the subject of personal attacks against my intelligence, insinuations of ignorance to the history of the subject matter I present, among other posts.
Crossed the line in my opinion.
Everyone is quick to jump the gun because I used the words "hip hop" in my question apparently.
The Hip-Hop Generation's Own Black History | | AlterNet an article on the divergence of black culture in to the hip hop culture
Hip hop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia a wiki entry that, wow, I didn't write, that says
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With the emergence of commercial and crime-related rap during the early 1990s, however, an emphasis on violence was incorporated, with many rappers boasting about drugs, weapons, misogyny, and violence. While hip hop music now appeals to a broader demographic, media critics argue that socially and politically conscious hip hop has long been disregarded by mainstream America in favor of gangsta rap.
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- ah pardon me, maybe that's where our disconnect occurs, I use the broad overreaching term "hip hop" instead of the focused subgenre "Gangsta Rap"
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One girl talks about the epidemic of crime that she sees in urban black and Latino communities, relating it directly to the hip hop industry saying “When they can’t afford these kind of things, these things that celebrities have like jewelry and clothes and all that, they’ll go and sell drugs, some people will steal it…”[31] Many students see this as a negative side effect of the hip hop industry, and indeed, hip hop has been widely criticized for inciting notions of crime, violence, and American ideals of consumerism
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Don't be so dense.
Again though, i'm just going to bow out of this thread and leave it to the dogs to shred apart like some bad meat because the fact that I even acknowledged this tangent, and the fact that the only "on topic" response thus far was by Squeeb, i'm pretty sure this conversation is doomed to completely ignore the original question at hand for people to leap to the defense of hip hop, for whatever reason. This thread wasn't some cleverly veiled attempt to launch a crusade against hip hop in the defense of protecting the black American image, hell, they already have groups doing that, I listen to some of it here and there. I don't get why people are so hung up on it. Just because I said i'm not a fan of the negatives doesn't mean I can't recognize positives. You must really take me for a troglodyte if that's the case.
ugh, nevermind, done.