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first off, i don't think you know much of anything about hip hop, so it's hard to imagine having an actual conversation about it.
what hip hop was as it was put into motion by the zulu nation continues more or less in the underground. mainstream hip hop diverged from the underground across the middle 1990s for a lot of reasons (not least of which was legal decisions that conflated what turntablists do with sampling and which legitimated a system of licensing fees one effect of which was to strip the sound of much of its complexity). to talk about more underground spaces, you'd have to know something about the music, what it was about, where it comes out of, the politics of it. if you knew anything about that, you'd not have posted the thread at all, so i think we're at an impasse.
as for how you understand, say, rapping as a skill---i doubt seriously that you've done it, and if you have i doubt seriously that you're serious. same kinda thing with turntables: it's easy to make noise, but quite difficult to get to a level of skill. if you don't even recognize the skills behind the music--which stands on it's head much of what you say---and focus only on superficial nonsense, then, well...
ok so we're definitely at an impasse.
maybe try to explain what you're talking about using something you know about to do it?
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a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle
spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear
it make you sick.
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