If this is the case:
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the principle here is that when someone goes to Mecca, they come back with no sins owing.
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why bother doing these rounds? Or am I misinterpreting?
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typically when someone goes to Mecca, before they go, they go around to their friends, family and foes asking for forgiveness of anything they may have done, or something they may have owed. they do this with the intention that when they come back from Mecca, they come back with a clean slate.
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where does the Aga Khan stack up within the Muslim world? Is he considered a supreme spiritual leader like the Caliphs were (or the Pope is)?
Did I understand correctly when you intimated earlier that the Pope is infallible? Is this really the case? I'm not Catholic, so have always thought of the Pope as a sort of head priest.
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however, prayer is not a confessional. we dont have a pope, and our 'confessions' are known by god. as muslims prayer is directed purely at god, and we dont need intermediatries in order to gain access to god. ie. praying to statues, pictures, ikons, or other dieties.
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Very close to Protestantism.
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in laymans terms, halal literally means 'permissable' in arabic. in order for a muslim to eat halal meat, there are certain conditions that must be met.
the first and foremost is that the name of God be mentioned prior to the slaughter.
secondly, the death must be swift, and you must reduce the suffering as much as possible.
thirdly the animal's throat must be cut in a certain spot to drain all the blood.
fourthly - all the blood must be drained from the animal
fifth - the animal cannot be swine. even if swine was killed in the correct manner, it can never be halal, unless in necessities. ie. you're out in the bush and theres nothing else to eat sort of situation.
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It looks like this could be very easily accomplished in a regular meat processing plant. I often purchase halal meat if there is little selection of non-halal in our grocery. My question is why the stricture against swine? The obvious thoughts about pigs and dirt (i.e. mud in pig styes) is on my mind, but that sounds too simplistic to cut out some of the best flavoured meat available. What is the real reason?
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so in essence, one must be a muslim to enter paradise. however, those that followed the message of the prophets before hand, even though they came to the jews would enter paradise, as they are also considered muslims, as they followed the message of the 'Oneness of God'. the word Muslim literally means 'someone who submits'. by that, it means submitting to the one true god.
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I heard the exact same thing on a radio interview. Except the fellow had converted to Catholicism. He was told that unless he was Catholic he would never get into Heaven.
- I'll have to read back through your thread, but are the Christian Heaven and the Muslim Paradise the same? Or is the one God maintaining two penultimate locations for different sets of believers? (tongue not too firmly placed in cheek... really seeking an answer)