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Originally Posted by Charlatan
From what I am reading she seems to be saying pretty much the same thing.
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Then they are both wrong.
I am also confused by the logic used to rationalize issues. If a conservative did it or said it then it is o.k., I think not. From what I understand about Alito's comment was that he did not include words like "better", I could be wrong but I think that is at the core of this issue. I admit that everyone brings their heritage and culture with them.
However, when it comes to the law, heritage and culture should have no importance. I can understand if McDonald's puts a female latina on its board of directors if the company is trying to grow in that market, but when it comes to the law - justice should be blind.
Is her point acceptable?
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She might be speaking to a specific audience, yes. I have no problem with tailoring your speech to a specific audience. But again, when viewed in the context of all of her rulings (actions speak louder than words) she appears to be a solid candidate.
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Again, see my questions above. What value is her heritage and culture if it plays no role in her rulings what was her point? If it did play a role, is that justice?
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I don't think what she said is especially inflammatory at all.
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What about empathy to those who might see the comment different than you? I understand some not seeing the comment as inflammatory, but on the other hand, I see why many do. Is she failing the "empathy" test? Or does "empathy" only apply to certain groups.
There is no doubt she is qualified based on education and experience, I doubt she did not know the importance and impact of her words. Based on that I doubt she is surprised by the reaction. Based on that some of us deserve a more detailed explanation of her views on this issue, and it is not nit picky.
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I am glad you are resolute in your clarity but from where I am sitting your position looks rather fogged in the steam coming from the right.
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I am not clear on what she meant, nor am I clear on what her intent was. I agree I am in a fog, that is why I am asking questions. that is why I want her to clarify this issue.
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Originally Posted by dippin
Alito said that his family's struggles with discrimination made him more aware of that. A very similar position to what she said.
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I think she said that she would make better decisions because of her ethnicity and genders. I am not getting that Alito said that.
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And who said anything about justice not being colorblind?
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Perhaps it is just a pipe dream of mine.
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In any case, the way to achieve a so called colorblind society is not to pretend that we are currently a colorblind society. She raised a pertinent empirical issue: why is it that every landmark decision that reversed previous positions on segregation and discrimination necessarily had a minority either on the bench or arguing the case. And her response is that while the men who tried those cases before may have been wise, they lacked any first hand experience in the matter to fully understand the perspective of the discriminated.
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I think that is faulty logic. It is disturbing if that is how she connects the dots. I think it is an insult to many historical people who had the courage to do what is right in the face of social and political pressures.
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And she never once claimed that these minorities then should be biased in one way or the other, and as her record shows, she hasnt been biased one way or the other.[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]
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So, what was her point?