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tisonlyi · 05-31-2009, 08:16 AM

llama llama, re: education not being the solution on its own.

Spot on.

Conditioning is as important as education.

Are the familial environments, the prized social positions (tacit or explicit), the media that are pushed at people, etc all directed towards encouraging responsible and ethical behaviour likely to push the vast majority toward the many paths toward cultivating virtues?

Or, are they drenched in the glorification of crime, the objectification of every other human being, the complete lack and disregard for any and all ethical behaviour (even the elements that promote some sort of ethics do so in a self-consciously pious or hypocritical way), short term reward is all, sacrifice for others as being all-but stupid, etc...

I think we both know that people are constantly drenched in self-defeating and hypocritical 'standards' from birth onwards in the UK.

That's not just the right-wing press or a 'Thatcherite/Blairite' (pretty much Reaganite for USians) society model thing either... Britain is rudderless and flailing in the gutter, heading for the sewer. Its thin 'direction' is simply towards what people might superficially want at any given moment near an election.

That'll never be manipulated by mass media controlling interests. Oh no.

(I think there are 1 or 2 anglo-saxon models heading closer to the drain, faster than we...)

Also, on the topic of drugs, you might like a little look at the era of "The Great Binge".

http://www.heroinaddiction.com/heroin_hist.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Binge

05-31-2009, 08:16 AM	#19 (permalink)
tisonlyi Nothing	llama llama, re: education not being the solution on its own. Spot on. Conditioning is as important as education. Are the familial environments, the prized social positions (tacit or explicit), the media that are pushed at people, etc all directed towards encouraging responsible and ethical behaviour likely to push the vast majority toward the many paths toward cultivating virtues? Or, are they drenched in the glorification of crime, the objectification of every other human being, the complete lack and disregard for any and all ethical behaviour (even the elements that promote some sort of ethics do so in a self-consciously pious or hypocritical way), short term reward is all, sacrifice for others as being all-but stupid, etc... I think we both know that people are constantly drenched in self-defeating and hypocritical 'standards' from birth onwards in the UK. That's not just the right-wing press or a 'Thatcherite/Blairite' (pretty much Reaganite for USians) society model thing either... Britain is rudderless and flailing in the gutter, heading for the sewer. Its thin 'direction' is simply towards what people might superficially want at any given moment near an election. That'll never be manipulated by mass media controlling interests. Oh no. (I think there are 1 or 2 anglo-saxon models heading closer to the drain, faster than we...) Also, on the topic of drugs, you might like a little look at the era of "The Great Binge". http://www.heroinaddiction.com/heroin_hist.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Binge __________________ "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place." - Winston Churchill, 1937 --{ORLY?}-- Last edited by tisonlyi; 05-31-2009 at 08:22 AM..