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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
You've said this before, and it's still wrong. Gays have insisted on being permitted to marry, and they have been denied.
Because they're gay. That is discriminatory.
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Gays aren't denied the right to marry because they're gay. If they were, that law would be struck down faster than it could reach a court, as it would signal out a specific group of people (Gays). Bans on marriages which don't adhere to the whole, "One man, one woman" mantra, while "discriminating" against gays, also equally "discriminates" against groups who do not fall into the "one man, one woman" category.
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The ONLY reason they aren't allowed to marry is because they're gay. They can't marry because they're gay.
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No, they can't be married because of who they're trying to marry, not because they're gay.
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Gay couples cannot be married because they're the same sex. There is nothing else out of the ordinary. John and Tony cannot get married because they'd need to deny their sexuality and find women to do that. Beth and Tammy have the same problem, except they'd need to break up and find men.
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Correct. The issue is who they're marrying, not the fact that they're gay.
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Leave minors, consanguinity, and polygamy out of this. Gays aren't going for any of those things any more or less than heterosexuals.
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But why? Granted, I'm not saying that SSM is equivalent those other things, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that bans on SSM are equally "discriminatory" to gays as they are to, say, polygamists.
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If a member of the clergy is willing to marry gays, what right does the state have in denying that?
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Because marriage is a social construct regulated by the state, not the church.
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Denying same-sex marriage in a way is a refusal to accept gays as "legitimate" couples. It sends a statement to all gay couples: You are not a real relationship.
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We've been over this before. If someone's relationship is only "legitimized" by marriage, then I'm not so sure they're relationship is real, anyway.