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At first I was surprised that we're still having this conversation. And then, upon reading it, I became surprised at how far out it's gotten.
JumpinJesus: I honestly don't know what's going through your head here. I see what you're getting at, I just don't understand why it's so bloody important to you. The merits of any personal claim made on an internet forum are dubious at best, and are not worth such tenacity.
I expected better from you. Let it go.
Willravel: Your personal claims regarding waterboarding don't strike me as particularly relevant when discussing said action as US policy. This is not your usual level of posting, either; even if we take as granted that your personal experience in the matter is relevant and actually carries weight in this discussion (which I'm not personally convinced it does), we have much more powerful testimony available in the accompanying video.
Before anyone says it, no I'm not a staff member here. At the same time, this is not the type of discussion I expect to encounter here. I would dearly like to see this topic move back into the realm of civility; as it is, I'm a bit embarrassed by the whole affair. The community that I identify with and that I consider to be one of the most mature and respectful communities in the online realm has degenerated into nothing more than mudslinging and name calling.
Seriously, people. This is grade school shit. Let's move on.
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I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept
I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept
I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head
I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said
- Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame
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