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Originally Posted by Zenturian
You realize that we are looking weak to those that wish to kill us.
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Actually, by torturing we're making them stronger. Like I said before, it's their strongest recruiting tool. Google it.
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Originally Posted by Zenturian
They want to kill you too.
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You're wrong about that one, too. They don't want to kill Americans that are against military expansionism and that are open minded about Islam. If I was actually in any kind of real danger from terrorism (I'm more likely to be hit by lightning three times), my death would be indiscriminate. So no, they don't want to kill me, it's more just a general anger towards our government and those that prop up some very stupid foreign policy.
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Originally Posted by Zenturian
Being nice to them will only encourage them. Can't wait till Republicans are back in power. There will be massive attack while Obama's in office. They smell weakness.
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When I want to know about the Middle East and terrorism, I'll be sure to check with Republicans. Because they have such an outstanding track record. Just out of curiosity, from your extensive knowledge of the Middle East and Islam, which Hadith contains the passage about 72 virgins?
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Originally Posted by Slims
True, but those people would force water down a soldiers throat until he passed out.
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With all due respect, we don't know whether or not we did that too because of the lack of transparency. And Cheney's disingenuous calls for records ignore the fact that a lot of the worst stuff likely wasn't officially recorded. I would hope we didn't allow the detainees to pass out due to the level of torture, but considering what we're hearing about detainees having their testicles sliced with a scalpel... I can't really buy it without some serious evidence.
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Originally Posted by Slims
Scaring someone simply isn't torture. The recent application of water boarding was controlled specifically to elicit fear without causing damage.
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That's just it, though, torture isn't just defined as physical harm. It also includes mental suffering. I'm sure if, after you leave out hypothetical pub, you were to read the UN Convention Against Torture (which the US has signed and is thus US law), you would notice that the definition in the convention includes both physical and mental suffering.